Hrr Stop Attack

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  1. breblimator

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    In the place shown in the attached picture (now indicates... what?), I encounter a red signal each time. It is preceded by a distant (double yellow). This double yellow signal, however, is preceded by Clear. I like everything and I'm not looking for a conspiracy :D but just asking: is such a progression natural? Main-Stop after Main-Clear?

    Or, like in the picture - Clear but expect Stop?

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  2. Mattty May

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    The distant signal is telling you that the next signal is expect stop. The main signal is telling you the next block is clear.
     
  3. breblimator

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    Yeah, I know, but that combo - picture?
    That progression - without yellow/green distant between?

    PS THIS is the only place in the game where I see something like this, hence the question :)
     
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  4. Mattty May

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    I see what you mean now. Yeah it should be Green/Yellow Main and then Double Yellow distant. Or at least that is my understanding.
     
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  5. doublefine7

    doublefine7 Well-Known Member

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    No, Green/Yellow means "Drive slow" and this only when you are entering a switch area where you change tracks, therefore you have to go slower than track speed. The signal on the pic is correct and says Hp1 for Clear and Vr0 for "Expect red/stop". That signal means that the next block is clear and the block after the next block is blocked.
     
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  6. breblimator

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    OK. Thank You. It looks strange to me. I'm sure I can see yellow/green even without changing the track. Or not? I believe you. I am thinking aloud.

    PS My point is shouldn't there be such a progression: expect slow >> expect stop?
     
  7. FeralKitty

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    You would only have seen expect slow when the next main signal would have been go slow.

    Here, the main signal is not go slow (40 km/h), but go (100 km/h).
     
  8. breblimator

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    That's not what I mean. Is it possible to see Main Stop after Main Clear without seeing Expect Slow > Slow on the way? Normally this progression looks like this:
    expect slow > slow > expect stop > stop
    Here:
    clear > expect stop > stop (I took the screenshot after the signal changed - it is the last one in my example)
     
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  9. FD1003

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    Next signal should be a full yellow and the one after that red.

    When you have a combination of green/yellow is a speed restriction.
    Screenshot_20201013-213109_Drive.jpg
    From RSN manual
     
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  10. breblimator

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    hehehe, but
    The question is about PROGRESSION :)
     
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  11. FD1003

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    Yes of course sorry. The distant is telling you next signal is red but main is telling is either green or yellow. Odd

    Let me see if I can find some strange case when it can happen.

    Looks like the Essen area, which we have already seen to be not really up to the highest of standards
     
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  12. breblimator

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    I know I know hehehe

    99% of TSW: MAIN CLEAR -> MAIN SLOW -> MAIN STOP
    That case: MAIN CLEAR -> MAIN STOP

    Ain't no SLOW behind. Is this OK?

    Main-Clear+Distant-DoubleYellow has already been explained :)
    Let's leave the announcements (distant) alone.

    I am asking because it is unusual in the EU, and impossible in the US.
     
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  13. breblimator

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    Westbound freight services - all I played so far (eg DB 87202)
    But you have to drive with a bang :)
     
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  14. F.Barnes

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    In Germany there is no "Slow because there comes a red far far away ... "

    Green = Clear (distant signal = green/green)
    Red = Stop (distant signal = yellow/yellow)

    Green/Yellow = slow because switching area (distant signal = green/yellow)
     
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  15. breblimator

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    OK, thank you, I acknowledge. I lived in ignorance. Relief. Thanks :)
    Thank you to the others, too, because they probably tried to tell me the same :D

    PS THAT. Yeah. Solved. Thumbs up :)
     
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  16. doublefine7

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    The basic thing behind that is that UK signals give you info of up to 3 blocks (expect stop->expect stop at next signal -> stop).
    German signals only give up to 2 blocks (green->stop with the Presignal showing expect stop aspect)
     
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  17. delucadomenico2009

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    The signal is ok. There are a lot of place where you can find it. This german signal system doen't have the approach or the expected, normally with a 2 or more blocks system there will be a complete yellow as a main. With this system the signal just say you to proced but stop at the next main (and slow down to 40kmh). On the high speed section (around 160kmh or more) there is the system with the yellow (like the ska or after essen to bochum) in this case the sequence is green - flashing green - yellow - red. And all of this ones has just 1 signal that show you the information. The green/yellow signal that you mean just indicate that at the next switching area you need to change the track and you need to assume the indicated speed or 40 if there are no numbers under the signal
     
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