Great Western Express: Class 43 Feels Underpowered

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  1. turnipgaming97

    turnipgaming97 Member

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    I feel that the Class 43 HST is underpowered and take about a year to get to 125mph in TSW2, in TSW2020 it could get to 125mph alot faster and I could keep it at that speed by going in throttle 2 to throttle 3 with the 6 car HST and the same thing with the 7 car and the 8 car HST.

    DTG you must make the Class 43 alot faster than it is in TSW2 because it struggles to get up the hills on Schnellfahstrecke Kőln and the hills on Hauptstrecke Műnchen - Augsburg even at full power.
     
  2. dave from Cornwall

    dave from Cornwall Well-Known Member

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    I had noticed the same thing, you dont reach 100mph coming out of Paddington by the time you reach the 125mph board, and you need to keep the throttle at 4/5 rather then 2/3 to maintain the speed.

    I have read else where on the board, that this is realistic. Plus, you still arrive in to Reading on time!

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  3. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    This is probably another bug with preserved collection. I wouldn't at all be suprised
     
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    or just the new effects of the adhesion effects possibly with the weight of the train
     
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  5. david5150

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    I’ve noticed that too but it really doesn’t bother me that much. I think the improved sound more than makes up for it.
     
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  6. ross.duncan35

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    if it was under powered or bugged,then you would not be able to keep to timetable.think ive always been on time or early,never late which you would be all the time if under powered.
     
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  7. dave from Cornwall

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    I *think* the reason we are always on time with GWE is that we don't have a "Wait till x" time for despatch. As soon as we get the reverser sorted and the lights on we can head off? The signal is green etc. As such I think we arrive early/on time because we might be leaving 30 seconds to a minute early?

    On other routes you get a nominated time to set off?

    Just a thought?

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  8. ross.duncan35

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    in real life the class 43 top speed is 148mph,the top speed in tsw 2 is 132mph so yes it would seem it is under powered,
     
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  9. Fitz

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    I think the HST is under powered in TSW 2. 2020 felt more accurate. The HST should not struggle to hit 125mph. The HST has got to 148mph on a normal service run in real life with authorisation. The drive reckoned it would have made it to 160mph if it had more track space as it still had "plenty of power left" while holding 148mph.
     
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  10. DominusEdwardius

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    Well, two things about that, the formation which got to 148.5mph was on a specifically run test for Mk4 bogie design, it wasn't a 2+8 it was a 2+4 formation and was slightly modified for the task so as to not pose a risk of the traction motors failing at those speeds, it also probably didn't run with ETH on! And secondly these tests procured in the 1980s, since then as part of one of the refurbishments the maximum speed is limited electronically to around 133mph (125mph + 10% over speed) because going faster is no longer allowed or required.
     
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  11. turnipgaming97

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    I've managed to arrive at Reading from London Paddington 6 minutes early in Timetable mode and I think the reason is that the HST is doing 125 mph for about 27 miles of the route.
     
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    In the timetable mode the timing of the HST services are very relaxed, although if you look you will find some where outside of reading you will get a red light to wait for a class 166 to cross in front of you.
    This may be why there is a time gap and in timetable mode you still only have 6 coaches meaning less weight.

    Try taking a 8 coach unit in creator and time yourself compared to the 6 coach.
     
  13. ross.duncan35

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    well i was a bit unsure about the class 43 power but after looking a few things up and the info passed on in this thread ive come to the conclusion that the power is fine and the reason for getting into reading so early is the timetables were based on real life timetables but the traffic on the line is not,meaning your not dealing with as many yellow signals as you would in real life.note this is just my thoughts and i may be wrong.
     
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  14. pinxtonpaws

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    I think you will find that you 'begin' a service (HST and CL166) at the exact time the timetable says you're supposed to depart, so once you've sorted the lights (etc) you're actually setting off late.

    https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/boris-the-frog/video/118348968
     
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  15. stevenwalker1985

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    I think i read something on the road map yesterday about a fix for the hst coming soon.
     
  16. Fitz

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    Yeah, it said they are going to improve it's acceleration rate to make it more true to life.
     
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    Good. It feels sluggish.
     
  18. dave from Cornwall

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    I did speak to a driver last year. the HST's are slow from 0-45, then their power kicks in, whereas the 800's are quick 0-45 and then much slower in acceleration compared to the 43. Not that we are going to have the ability to compare them....
     
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  19. turnipgaming97

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    That's very interesting because in TSW2 its sluggish after 45 mph and it struggles to get up the 1.0 Gradient hills on Schnellfahstrecke Kőln in Scenario Planner even with the 4 car HST and its alot worse with the 7 car and 8 car HST and also on Great Western Express to keep it at 125mph I have to put in Throttle 3-4 where as in TSW2020 I could keep it at 125mph in Throttle 2-3 so I'm glad the fix is in next Tuesday's Roadmap Update.
     
  20. Bryer

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    If you think the Class 43 is underpowered, you should try driving the Class 66, I can tell you that that feels extremely underpowered!
     
  21. Lightspeed

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    I wondered why the Class 66 was struggling at notch 3 to move, hauling container wagons and Aggregate. The only train that works is the Class 166 and that train can growl when starting off.
     
  22. Bryer

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    It's realistic for loaded aggregates wagons, but unrealistic light engine or intermodal.
     
  23. scottthiel123

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    Does anyone know when this fix is coming through? And will it make a noticable difference?
     
  24. Bryer

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    Believe it's due in the next update according to the 22nd December road map. However we will find out on Tuesday!
     
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  25. djcwey

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    IIRC in one of the Livestreams the Class 43 fix was mentioned. Apparently in the process of converting GWE for the Preserved Collection on TSW2 an extra '0' was added to the ETH (Electric Train Heating) Index. Hence the ETH is currently making a substantially larger drain than it should from the available power output.
     
  26. Clumsy Pacer

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    I think they're holding this fix back for a little while as there's quite a few fixes for GWE on the roadmap so it makes sense for them to release all those fixes at once (they may even be waiting for fixes for other UK routes).
     
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  27. JazzyGeofferz

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    I think they've mentioned on streams that they'd rather do the fixes route by route so it's one download rather than releasing several fixes for different routes at the same time as it's more efficient.
     
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  28. solicitr

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    Yeah, kind of hard to run an 800 on the modeled route, considering that at the time and in the model the catenary only extends as far as Taplow.......
     
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    Yes. They also mentioned that for technical reasons, one fix each for five different routes would make a download five times as large as five fixes for one route, so it makes sense to bundle them.
     
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  30. scottthiel123

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    I'm assuming the HST acceleration fix came out with the update today?
    Idk about you guys but I don't notice any difference.
    Quite disappointed to be honest, seems to max out around 130 still.
    Am I missing something?
     
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    Top speed and acceleration are different things. The issue is getting faster quicker, not how fast you can go.

    Besides, the vmax for that train and that track, both, is 125.
     
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    That's what I meant, it doesn't seem to be any different acceleration wise.

    Furthermore, in TSW2020 and in real life you can reach a much higher speed than 132mph on the same track. Was hoping they'd fix this too.
     
  33. joulz75

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    For me neither, didn't notice any difference :|
     
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  34. Mattty May

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    I haven’t noticed a significant change in the 43 since the update. I don’t know what it should perform like, but it seems to get fast enough, quick enough to meet the scheduling.
     
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  35. Bryer

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    Don't tell anyone but it's now too fast. Drives more like an IET (Class 800).
     
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  36. tallboy7648

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    I guess they couldn't get the right balance for the class 43. I wouldn't be suprised if there was a thread saying that the class 43 feels overpowered
     
  37. jackmc2007

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    The fix was released yesterday, its overpowered now lol
     
  38. Alex_m30x#7297

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    whats creator?
     
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