Nyc Mta J,m,z Subway Trains

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  1. Loyalty

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    Oh okay I see now yeah that make sense They share the yards at East New York Yard
     
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    Oh okay nice this could be very useful knowing the entrances and exits and local and express stations and so much more.
     
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    Historically I don't believe the R143 sets ever ran on the J/Z lines prior to 2010. I believe fleet swaps of R160A sets from the L were transferred to the J/Z. The first R143 sets I saw on the J/Z lines in my time on them was in early 2012 and since then they have been running in small amounts. This was before the "R32 massacre" showed up from early 2013-2018.

    Fun Fact: The J/Z lines did have at one point in time in 2015-2016 a total of 31 operating R32 trains, 6 R42 trains 4 R160A sets and 3 R143 sets. The J/Z had the most variety of any subway line (5 types of rolling stock R32, R42, R143, R160A and R179.) in the system during the transition period in 2017-2018.
    Some R32 trains reserved for the J/Z lines were mothballed during this time. Remember this was prior to the R179 sets being rolled out. At this point in time the R32 trains dominated the J/Z lines. The vast majority of operating trains was R32s meaning almost every time you would catch one of these old guys in 2014-2017. I was fortunate to operate and ride at least once all 5 of the various rolling stock.

    Nowadays the J/Z lines consist of mainly R179 and some R160A trains. A few R143 sets can be seen as well.

    Most if not all, R32 trains are in storage again. The R32 fleet is currently NOT assigned for revenue service. The R32 is considered an extra fleet to assist if any other fleet has issues. After the next new generation cars arrive the R32 will be gone for good.

    Enjoy the R32 or "tin cans" while you still can.
     
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    I’m glad the R32’s are out of revenue service. They used to break down so much on the A/C lines.
     
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  5. Justin Navarro

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    no the R142A trains were all transferred/scattered on the 1,2,3,4,5 and 7 lines.sadly no more on the 6 lines they now have the R62A on the 6 line which is no problem each train model is unique
     
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    That’s completely wrong. The 1,2,3,5 dont run R142A’s.

    The R142A’s were taken from the 6, and given to ONLY the 7 (for CBTC) and the 4 (for extra service).

    1 Train: R62 & R62A
    2 Train: R142
    3 Train: R62
    4 Train: R142 & R142A
    5 Train: R142
    6 Train: R62A
    7 Train: R142A/R188
    42 St Shuttle: R62A
     
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    IMG_20201024_105836_322.jpg

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    From last Saturday.
     
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    Ahh they did indeed but so far the R32 have managed to outlast all R-type cars from it's era. Excluding the fact that our NYCT R44 fleet was prematurely retired due to structural dangers.
    This is primarily due to the structural support given to the bodies during the GOH period. I would NOT be surprised if they did return because of issues with other trains.

    It is crazy to see that it has taken well over 10 years to get these R32 or "tin cans" down to roughly less than 100 cars in service.
    Remember these R32 cars were originally planned to be replaced by the then new R160A/B fleets. Then the R44 was chosen to be retired first leaving around half (345) cars of the original R32 fleet in service. From 2011 to 2019 a good chunk R32 trains were scrapped and retired. Then the R179 came and was supposed to replace the R32 and R42 fleets. The R179 did replace the last remaining R42 cars but NOT entirely the R32 cars.

    Here we are in 2020 and still the R32 are still here and not fully retired yet.

    We are down to roughly 95-100 operable cars left.

    Last I heard, Albany wants these cars out of here. I think they still have another 5-10 years in them before they may retire.
    Only time will tell though.
     
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    I’m still happy they’re not in revenue service, but I’ll take them over the R179 ANY DAY.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the R32’s come back because of a mishap with the 179’s.

    I still don’t understand how the R44’s had structural problems, yet they are still in service on the SIR (as of 2020).
     
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    The 7 line doesn't run R142A cars, the line only has R188s.
     
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    It was combination of graffiti, going through multiple car washes to clean the cars, and effects of saltwater that forced the R44 cars that ran in the NYC subway to early retirement.
     
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    Actually it does. Most R142A’s were converted into R188’s for use on the 7 with ATO and CBTC.
     
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    No, they're not. those cars that were R142A cars (7211-7590) were sent back to Kawasaki and upgraded with CBTC and ATO equipment. then sent to run on the 7 line which has CBTC. they're officially known as the R188 cars, the R142A cars (7591-7810) run on the 4 line
     
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    That’s literally what I said though. They were converted into R188’s.

    Of the 506 cars in the fleet, only 126 were built brand-new; the remaining 380 cars were originally part of the R142A fleet that entered service in 2000, before being upgraded to R188s with the installation of CBTC equipment. The fleet first entered passenger service on November 9, 2013, and the final cars were delivered in June 2016.

    Upgraded, Converted, same thing.
     
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    Also please try to stay on topic this post is for the BMT Jamaica Line J/Z Lines.
     
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    What they could do is have the M run on it’s Saturday Schedule (only to 2Av) while giving us the full J Train.
     
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  18. Justin Navarro

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    no the 1,2,4,5 and 7 the 3 and 6 trains use the R62A's I take these trains everyday so yeah you can't tell me otherwise
     
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    I live on these lines too. You want a link? Because you obviously don’t know the rolling stock.
    All Rolling Stock in the System.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway_rolling_stock

    As I said before:
    The 1 & 6 use R62A’s.
    The 1 & 3 use R62’s. (The 1 train hasn’t ran them during the pandemic)
    The 2,4,5 use R142’s.
    The 4 uses R142A’s.
    The 7 uses R188’s.

    The 7 hasn’t had an R62A on it since 2017

    The 4 doesn’t normally run R62A’s (only during service changes).

    The 3 NEVER runs R62A’s, only R62’s.

    The 2 doesn’t normally run R62A’s (only during service changes).

    The 5 NEVER runs R62A’s.

    So either your a Troll, or you don’t know the rolling stock.

    If you can’t figure it out, too bad. I’m not even gonna amuse this. We don’t want them to close the thread.
     
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    Ok. My Suggestion For the J/Z Lines.
    2001 - 2002 — Kawasaki R143
    2005 - 2010 — Alstom R160A - 1
    2015 - 2019 — Bombardier R179

    Just Know that the R32s and R42s are retired since this year.
     
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  21. ZeenozPlays

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    Ehh, the R32’s can be called back at any time to replace the R179’s, and I’m 80% sure that’ll happen. The R42’s are the ones that are RETIRED. They use them for work/garbage trains and the rest are lined up for scrapping.

    I highly doubt the MTA will allow DTG to get a look at the R179’s since they’re so new, that means that they’ll probably have to make the route in the past with the 32, 42, 160 and maybe the 143. A nice variety of rolling stock.
     
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    True I rather have have old and new trains mixed rolling stock in the game so we can have more choices then one train I would love some R42s and R32s in the game
     
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    Mixed rolling stock is the best way to go. I think a time period of 2017 Would be nice. You would see R160’s, R32’s, R42’s and the occasional R143 (could be a DLC).
     
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    Facts I prefer the R160s and R42s first then DLCs pack the R143s & R32s come at later date. 2017 would be the best period when they all was running together!!!
     
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    Yup. That’d be real nice. The R160’s are great. The R42’s, they’re mad old but they get the job done.
     
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    Yeah it’s best to have an option rather then 1 rolling stocks to choose bc it don’t matter what train line it is. That’s true they were good. Especially with livery design, destination boards/count down clocks, hopefully soon train announcements on trains and platforms. Definitely be amazing for NYC subway.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    On the second pic we are getting flipped off lol
    Its an interesting route
     
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    Gotta love NYC :)
     
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    lol yeah all of nyc subway lines are interesting there isn’t nothing like nyc it’s like a Maze a fun one at that. Just hope a NYC subway route comes into a reality in the near future bc it’s well deserved. If people can love London Underground on the bakerloo line they can easily love NYC subway lines.
     
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    Yessss damn right I love nyc forever and always born and raised
     
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    Facts.
     
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    Yeah let’s pray & hope for something great this is one easiest options to pick since they have the MTA license approved!!!! I know they want to do so much more for USA Community since we ain’t getting NEC For TSW2. this would be a amazing way for them to rebound for us not getting NEC!!!
     
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    I agree.
     
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    I agree, based on the roadmap we have a few USA routes coming up both of which are being developed my a 3rd-party developer.
    Correct me if I am wrong.

    I would love to see any line from our great subway system and any of the various rolling stock.
    Although as I have stated before my preference is mostly based on the SMEE stock or the legacy rolling stock.
    Having a great variety will make any route in TSW 2 feel very lively and vibrant.

    I also have a suggestion for DTG of which I will post later on.
    Is there going to be an option to have AI services on the timetable mode allow spawning of custom liveries.
    Like on the LIRR the AI trains have a 50% chance of spawning in with either an M7 or M3 depending on if you own the said DLC.

    This feature would be great, I would like too see if it is taken into consideration.
     
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    they could be doing the northeast corridor Boston to providence route.
     
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    IDK why, but I have a feeling Rivet Games/The rest of the third party devs are going to try to create some subway routes for Train Sim World.

    Yeah, I would also prefer the SMEE Rolling Stock like the old R62/A or R32. I'm cool with them including the New Technology Trains though, as long as they put in the Automated Announcements.

    I also want this. I'd like to be able to select what liveries they can spawn with too.
     
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    So this suggestion is 5th in views and 2nd in comments and I notice it goes from the most previous message then down. So I am commenting to get DTG's attention! They have got to build this route already. Good distance. A good amount of overground and underground, and amazing fleet!
     
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    also btw are we not gonna talk about the teen in the R32 flipping the camera guy off?
     
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    Honestly, I think they'd want to start with SIR and then go in order by trunk lines, starting with 7 Av or 8 Av, or they'll start with the easiest lines (L/7). If it does well enough, who knows, we'll eventually get to the J/Z.
     
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    We need an arrival clocks throughout the line.
    IMG_20191215_045347_362.jpg
     
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    This is an excellent suggestion! Not much other input but that. It would be great to have some additional NY Routes especially since we have the LIRR basis.
     
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    Yeah, they took most of the R142A's off of the 6 and put them on the 7 (With a new 'C' Car for 11 Car Service), the rest of the R142A's went to the 4. The MTA ordered a new fleet of R188's to run in conjunction with the R142A's on the 7, and all of the R62A's from the 7 went to the 6 (1 Car was removed from each set for 10 Car Service).
     
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    If you look at it using in game schedule provided 7 train DLC is added it should say R188 C cars 7899-7936 2012-2015 while the pair they're coupled with R142A 7211-7590 are 1999-2003 builds. Now back to Nassau Street and Myrtle Ave Lines using the in game schedule and rolling stock
    1964-1965 R32
    1969-1970 R42
    1999-2003 R143 interior needs to have the combined J/Z & L train Strip Maps
    2006-2010 R160A-1 8 car variants Note the r160A-2 10 car versions are on E,F,N,Q,R & W trains. Ideal downloadable routes for those are BMT Broadway Astoria 4th ave 2nd ave 72nd-96th IND 8th & 6th aves and Queens Blvd which also includes Archer Avenue upper level. For J&Z trains you actually play the lower level of Archer Avenue subway
    Lastly 2016-2018 R179 8 car variants. Notes both R160A-1 and R179 Have Find Display Units instead of the electronic strip map found on R143.
     
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    If based in the Modern Day, there would be no more R42’s running on the line. The R32’s are questionable as they are “Retired” but are still in storage in the case of another R179 failure. If DTG were to make this route, I’d see them adding only the R160A-1 and R179 (and possibly the R32 as well). The R143 is a Semi-Rare find on the J/Z as it mostly runs on the L (Yes IK they are stored in the ENY and have the shared strip maps, but they are usually just assigned to the L)

    For some reason I also only see them adding the J/Z and not the M. With the M going all the way to Forest Hills, I’d rather them include it in a 6 Av Line DLC.

    Something cool they could do is set it in 09’ with the Brown M, although that would remove the R179 and add back the R42/R40M.
     
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    Good Point but
    One more thing they forgot is that M trains do terminate at Essex Street Weekends except Late Nights where they end at Myrtle Ave Broadway Station. If You are wondering what was the exact date when the M Train terminates in Manhattan during the weekends it's June 8th 2014 link is https://web.archive.org/web/20140612005620/http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/M_weekends.htm that would mean one scenario where you operate J train R32 R143 R160A-1 and R179 on the weekends you cannot operate into the center track because the M Train terminates at Essex Street on weekends. therefore the previous signal before Essex Street When approaching from Bowery station you need to switch to the outer eastbound track to do normal service. otherwise straight into the normal central track J & Z trains weekday track will result in the failure of the scenario because you passed the signal and hit the terminating Weekend train which is in the Middle Track at Essex Street before the Williamsburg Bridge
     
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    Here's a classic of the J line, couple decades ago (not my video).
     
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    They were R142As, but after the installation of CTBC, they are now R188s. the MTA has them marked as R188 subway cars.
     
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    Thanks for telling me about the R188. For me, I distinguish the two types of R188s one is factory built 7811-7898 the others are 7899-7936 which is coupled to 1999-2003 R142A 7211-7590. Now back to the topic of BMT Jamaica Myrtle Ave & Nassau Street lines if Dovetail Games decided to do a J/Z trains weekend scenario/ schedule run you need to avoid the Eastbound middle track because that's where the M train terminates doing so results in Scenario Failed Signal Passed at danger or you caused a train crash message occurs. To solve this Issue Dovetail Games needs to look at the post-2014 configuration of Essex Street Nassau Street Line tracks here's the wiki link for Essex Street station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delancey_Street/Essex_Street_station#BMT_Nassau_Street_Line_platforms
     
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