yeah if you noticed the overhead line that's currently in place in the route is just aesthetic i believe and is only on a small portion of the route
I think its on the whole route, but if dovetail can make a BR blue gameplay pack then surely they can just add one loco
yeah but it's just aesthetic is what i'm meaning for the 800 train to work with simugragh it would need overhead lines that were actually simulated
unless they went with the 802 version which is bi mode (and soon to be tri mode) but we still actually don't know much about how the br blue pack for gwe for the route
Im not sure what the 395 has to do with it, apart from maybe you’re implying that DTG will make a loco DLC that will only be available in a niche setting in a mode that maybe everyone doesn’t like to use. Seems unlikely.
I think CK95 that sophieclarke1983 was implying that if you put the Class 395 in off the rails mode it will work on GWE, and with a little bit of squinting and a custom livery, could be made to look like a Class 800, as they are based on the same design. However the original post seems to have been deleted, but as it's got replies they have remained. The OP was asking for a Class 800 on GWE, hence the comments about using a Class 395 instead came from, as it would be the closest they'd get at the moment.
Hmm yeah, however I was discussing an 800 DLC and the BR Blue pack, which I was apparently incorrect about because of the 395, of which I never said wouldn’t work in off the rails mode, so I was a little confused as to where that reply came from. But yeah 395 + livery creator + off the rails mode would equal a fairly decent alternative.
Trouble is, GWE is set before the 800s entered services. There are some significant differences in the route since they entered. So maybe if another section of the Great Western was added, maybe they would be good on that if it was modernised?
The Class 800s are also bi mode. So they could have the 800s on the existing GWE route. The Class 801s which LNER have on the East Coast Mainline are electric only (well they do have 1 generating unit for emergency use)
Electric trains work in Off the rails mode, which does not provide any simulation to the track, it just provides power for the loco where it normally would not. there’s no way that DTG are just going to put electric trains on non electrified routes, the only reason that off the rails mode exists is so that players can choose to ‘override’ the simulation.
Fair enough but my main point is that Class 800s are bimodes as it sounds like the poster that I quoted thinks that Class 800s are electric only. Uhhhh, on one engine that’s for emergency use only? LNER have Class 800s too which are used for the Lincoln services NOT Class 801s. Similarly, the Class 801s don’t go behind Edinburgh to the Highlands but the 800s do. I’ll make it clearer: GWR: Class 800 BIMODE; Class 802 BIMODE LNER: Class 800 BIMODE, Class 801 ELECTRIC ONLY* *one GU for emergency use only
Except the 800s are not electric trains, they are bimodes. Particularly in the early days, the 800s ran on diesel as the OHLE hadn’t been fitted yet. And even when the OHLE was live, not all drivers had been trained on electric mode so they had to run on diesel. Even today, they run regularly on diesel on non electrified routes as well as on electrified routes if there is a problem with the OHLE or the particularly unit.
That may be, however DTG have repeatedly told us that they won’t add the 800 because of the length of the route they run in different modes (this isn’t my reasoning it’s what Matt told us) and they also made the route based on a particular time, which they were adamant about not changing, even though the BR Blue pack contradicts their ‘snapshot’ reasoning. In any case, the 800 has been a topic for as long as GWE has been out, and DTG seem to be digging their heels in on this one.
Oh I completely agree. I’ve posted on many other 800s threads before that I’m not really bothered about getting 800s on the GWE Route. Simply because it is inevitable with how 80xs are dominating most Intercity routes that we will get them in TSW in the near future. East Coast, GWR, Transpennine, soon to be West Coast, Midland Mainline networks will have 80xs of some sort so I’m sure we’ll see it on TSW in the next couple of years albeit not on the GWE route. I just wanted to make it clear though that 800s are not electric only because it seems like there’s a few that think they are.
Yeah I think it’s certain we’ll see one eventually. Personally I think GWE deserves a remake, or at least an overhaul, which may be what the BR Pack will do, it will be interesting to see what they do with the route to make feel ‘1970’.
GWE is set in 2016- not only did the 800 not yet exist, nor the catenaries they require- but you would never see 800s and Class 43s operating on the main line at the same time. The one replaced the other (43s still work the western parts of the GWRR, which aren't electrified yet, and several have been sold to Scotrail).
Yes HST's and Class 800's worked in harmony for nearly a year on the mainline as the 800',s slowly entered service. Everyone seems to be really hooked up on complete authenticity at the moment. Let's remember this is a GAME and can recreate anything the developer wishes to do. Furthermore the class 800 did exist in 2016, was undergoing testing.
That’s not correct, unfortunately. The first Class 800 service in passenger operation was in September 2017 if I recall correctly. The last HST service out of London Paddington was May 2019 so for over 18 months both trains worked in harmony. Initially, there were a few Class 800 diagrams and then as more and more were introduced, the balance shifted so most of the diagrams were 800s. It was peculiar during the day because if you came to Paddington at about early afternoon, there would be 4-5 HSTs sitting on the platforms and not an 800 in view. But the opposite early in the morning and late in the evening. The reason is because they closed Old Oak Common depot in December 2018 so HSTs started/ended their day on the other side of the network- St Philips Marsh (Bristol) or Laira (Plymouth).
helle I like your suggestion, I think that dtg must release an extension to Bristol with the class 800 and the class389 with and that we can do London-Bristol
If we ever get a different section of the Great Western Mainline, we might get a more up to date version to include the Hitachi Class 800 series of trains and the necessary 25kv OHLE to run them. Electrification of this route has now extended past Reading.
We can but hope. All that has been said thus far is that the 1970s BR Blue pack will feature the Class 52 in BR Blue... Which has been stated will be different to the WSR Class 52 - which to me sounds like a lot of wasted effort. In my opinion the time would be better spent developing something which ISN'T already being offered. The Class 35 'Hymek', Class 50 or even Class 47/0 or Class 31/4 which would give a slightly differing performance experience?
The 395 is in the A class same as the 800 therefore you can do one up in gwr livery stick it on off the rails mode in gwr thats nearest that will come to gwr as Matt peddleston already stated nothing new will happen with gwr
They’re probably rebuilding the 52 so that more time can be put into making GWE actually look like it’s a route from the 70’s, with the way it looks now they wouldn’t get away with putting an older loco on it and saying that it’s the 1970’s. Im pretty sure they also mentioned new coaches for the pack too, so all in all I am looking forward to it, it’s not like they’ve said they’re doing a new route and then reusing the 52 on it. However I do really want a class 50, mostly so I can do a virgin thunderbird livery for it.
The class 57 being the actual Thunderbird loco, but very likely won't be in the pack, the 50 will be the next best thing for it.
