PlayStation Br Class 20 Visibility

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by Mattty May, Feb 2, 2021.

  1. Mattty May

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    Is it just me, or is it impossible to see where you are going in the BR Class 20 when it’s nose first?
     
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  2. Northerner

    Northerner Well-Known Member

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    In real life, they're usually paired nose to nose these days so the driver has a better view and if they run nose first I think they need a second man for signal sighting because as you say it has very poor visibility. When they were built, I don't think was a problem because they had replaced steam locos which had similar visibility problems so drivers were used to it.
     
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  3. Mattty May

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    Yeah, I think in the game they should definitely be nose to nose when paired (which I think they are), but when operating alone like on WSR I think they should run butt first. I did a service on WSR today and it was nose first which seemed counterintuitive as I couldn’t see anything unless I used an outside camera angle. It should be the same for the 08/09 on WSR too.
     
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    Not sure about the 20, but with the 08/09 on the non-immersion controls there is an option to drive with your head out the window which gives a slightly wider field of view past the nose, but certainly nothing that would be regarded as safe in this day and age.
     
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  5. Mattty May

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    Yep. I used to like using the head out angle, even though it can be dangerous in real life. Using the immersion controls has lost that feature, which is a shame. I try to imitate it as best I can now with immersion controls, but it just feels wrong driving these trains nose first. When shunting etc, that’s fair enough, but on long trips, I’m pretty sure they’d be operated backwards to maximise visibility.
     
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  6. dave from Cornwall

    dave from Cornwall Well-Known Member

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    At least in an 08/09 you are only going 10-15mph with minimum visability....in the 20 you could be going a lot faster!
     
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    Using a keyboard, you have the head-out-view within the arrow-keys, due to immersion-control too.
     
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    As others have mentioned, visibility on a 20 (as well as the lack of power) is why they were coupled nose-to-nose after a few years in service. However, when a 20 is running alone it is not 'wrong' to run it nose first - indeed it is often unavoidable. Consider operation over a branch line with no turntable (most turntables being removed after the steam era) - even if it enters the line cab first it must leave nose first.
     
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    I think the camera position on the 20 could do with adjusting. If it was slightly to the left, it would improve visibility a lot.
     
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    To get the most out of TSW and especially now with immersion controls you really need a keyboard attached. Head out view is your best friend and will be essential when steam locos come, as will the use of a keyboard for other controls.
     
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    You can move the camera alongside the window to mimic the head out view, although not ideal if you want to use other angles.
     

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