PlayStation Does The Bakerloo Line Have Aws?

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  1. Switches3

    Switches3 Well-Known Member

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    Does the Bakerloo line have some form of Train protection system because if I recall correctly all the other routes in TSW except for Trans-Pennine use it and if not then why? I’m asking for immersion reasons.
     
  2. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Short answer: no. The London Underground was always independent of British Rail, and also (IIRC) its regulatory body is different from that for aboveground rail, the London Passenger Transport Board rather than the UK Department for Transport.

    Moreover, when the Bakerloo's half-century-old trains, built before TPWS existed, are replaced with modern ones, they like the other Tube lines will have Automated Train Operation, so TPWS would be unnecessary.
     
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  3. jackmc2007

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    There are two systems which operate on the 1972 stock.

    Number 1 being the deadmans handle, if the driver lets go of the TBC then the emergency brakes apply. Thats why when you get out of the seat in TSW you hear 3 Beeps, this is to alert the driver that the TBC has lifted.

    Number 2 being ATP. This is different to the ATP on the GWML. On LU its often known as the tripcock. When the train passes a signal at danger (red) a little white arm on the track makes contact with the train and the emergency brakes apply. (This however isnt in TSW as when you SPAD the session ends)
    There is another audible warning when you move the TBC from shutdown, but this just needs a reset.

    But no as solicitr said, there is no AWS or TPWS.

    Hope This Helps
    Jack
     
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  4. ZeenozPlays

    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't there be AWS on the portion between Queens Park and Harrow & Wealdstone for the Overground Trains that run along the line?
     
  5. guardupfront

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    AFAIK the class 378 (one of the subclasses) are fitted with tripcocks rather than the bakerloo line using TPWS (and AWS) as a safety system.
     
  6. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    It could be, but the train has to be fitted for it or it doesn't matter.
     
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    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    I know that. But I'm not talking about the 72 Stock. I'm just asking that since the Overground portion of the BKL also used Overground Trains (And Previously Silverlink), it should have AWS. Obviously, the 72 Stock wouldn't use it. I don't think any Underground Stock uses it actually.

    I'm just saying that it should have AWS there for when you're in the Scenario Planner and using National Rail stock.
     
  8. Luke8899

    Luke8899 Well-Known Member

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    It's not a given that every piece of the UK national rail network has AWS, there are exceptions. It's possible the shared Overground/Bakerloo line section is an exception due to it's low running speed and the fourth rail which would make fitting standard AWS boots difficult not to mention would probably play havoc with the magnet.
     
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  9. jackmc2007

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    There is AWS between Putney and Wimbledon for the SWR services coming out of Wimbledon park sidings.
     
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  10. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    However, the Tube and the overground don't use the same trackage, even if they are in the same right-of-way:

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    The Tube track on the left is third-rail; the standard track to the right has OHEP. Even if the latter does have AWS installed, that doesn't mean the former does.
     
  11. Northerner

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    The tube and the Overground do share the same tracks, the tracks to the right is the West Coast Mainline. The Overground trains uses the fourth rail electrification, just doesn't use the centre rail. They have tripcocks fitted which negates the need for AWS as IIRC, the signalling on the underground is designed so that if a train passes a signal at danger it will be brought to a stop clear of the thing the signal is protecting which is not always the case on the mainline.
     
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  12. Olaf the Snowman

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    Here’s a video of a West Coast HST on the DC lines from 1993. As HSTs aren’t fitted with tripcocks (and AWS/TPWS are not operational), they were restricted to 30mph.

     

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