The Missing Link: Köln - Wuppertal (ice 2 And National Express Talent 2)

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  1. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    So am i
     
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  2. solicitr

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    The 120 was a victim of its times: designed by the Bundesbahn as a universal locomotive to replace the aging Einheits family, it had only started production when reunification happened, bringing lots of DR engines with it, and then sectorization: once DB Fernverkehr, DB Regio and DB Cargo were separate companies each with its own engine roster, the appeal of a universal locomotive went away, and so only 65 of the planned 2000(!) were ever built.

    Still it's the ancestor of almost everything that followed: the 101, 146, 182, 185 and 187 can all trace their descent from it.
     
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  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if DB BR189s can operate this route too in addition to cross-border Germany to Netherlands. One of the routes Oberhausen-Arnhem and I'm doing a bit of self-promotion here.
     
  4. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    It very much can, the 189 is seen on all important German routes, before it could operate internationally (it lacked permits), it was even restricted to Germany alone.

    The 189 isn't seen very often here as far as I know though, so it's not part of the suggestion.
     
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  5. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    i have never seen a BR 189 passing Solingen, i saw 185s but not 189s
     
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  6. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for telling me. Speaking of the DB BR189 some have C-Akv Couplers complete with Faals Iron Ore Wagons and here They would only be seen at Köln Gremberg Yard or the Freight Bypass. If want to see the pictures to what I'm talkin about it's this website. http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix_frameset.html
     
  7. phips

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    Best Suggestion i've seen so far. As DTG I just would start working on this, no questions at all.
     
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  8. creeperblox2710

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    If this Route gets accepted, i hope they will add the S7 Line as a small DLC. For me its one of the important things that should be added to Köln-Wuppertal
     
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  9. jolojonasgames

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    It would be very nice, and could be a good extension (plus loco of course) if DTG is interested in making those. Sadly it's simply too long to include with the route as standard, and requires it's own rolling stock (a LINT from abellio I believe).
     
  10. creeperblox2710

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    Yup, its from abellio. They could use the old BR 628 that used to run on the Line
     
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    (Make sure dovetail game will see it)
     
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  12. kennyjamesscott

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    Good suggestion
     
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  13. drnicktgm#1259

    drnicktgm#1259 Well-Known Member

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    I hope that this route will get addet to the route maps very soon, but first we have to wait for the Hamburg Lübeck Route to be added
     
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  14. jolojonasgames

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    I believe they said in this weeks roadmap, that the one after clinchfield will contain new routes, so I'm hoping that will be the next one in 2 weeks.
     
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  15. creeperblox2710

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    Lets just hope for the best for this route to come true
     
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    We have to keep this suggestion up so that we'll get more supporters for this suggestion and DTG would be much more likely to see this suggestion
     
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    Yes but I don't want to get it locked of course ;)
     
  18. driverwoods#1787

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    Absolutely correct and furthermore Dovetail Games can look at my suggestion which will be the international line linking this one and the Netherlands the Oberhausen Arnhem Railway. Basically combine all the routes in the area for sale that will be Germany Rhine Ruhr routes bundle. If you look at sister game train Sim 21 you should be able to see some routes being sold as a bundle
     
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  19. jolojonasgames

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    I really think DTG should start selling route bundles if routes are ever able to be connected (as in my suggestion, or otherwise).
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you and how much is exactly a single route in the European Union Netherlands Germany? because out here where I'm from the United States you have to buy them at $29.99 locomotive dlc is $19.99. Otherwise people are going to be forced to buy this route Köln-Wuppertal then the International route Oberhausen Arnhem at a later date so that Oberhausen Arnhem Railway locomotives can be played here like the DB BR189 which is usually found at Köln Kalk Yard including a Faals Iron Ore Wagon and the RRO RSN HRR RSO Falns Coal wagon.
     
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    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    Usual prices in the EU (I live in the Netherlands) are:
    € 29,99 for routes (with exceptions for Isle of Wight and West Somerset)
    € 13,99 for loco add-ons
     
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    Thank you for telling me about it that should be kept in mind for players willing to order this proposed routes of yours. To avoid paying €29,99 for RSN RRO HRR HMA & RT Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden and their €13,99 locomotive downloadable content they need to be bundled together for this route as a package for RWB because locomotives come with the route and downloadable content locomotives work in this route in real life. That also includes DB BR204 DB BR363 & Vossloh G6 those shunters are found in Köln Kalk Yard for daily shunting operations. To sum it up your suggestion it's basically the new Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden because all other German downloadable content locomotives have duties there RSN RRO DB BR143 Passenger services RRO RSN DB BR155 Freight and lastly DB BR182 RT Freight Services
     
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  23. creeperblox2710

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    I would exclude the BR 155 and 182 because they have never been used on the RWB and if the BR 420 comes out the S68 could be added from W-Vohwinkel to Haan-Gruiten (continuing to Düsseldorf and Langenfeld)
     
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    I think it's best to use those like the 182 on the other routes. They wont show up as AI services, but you can play them on a service if you want to.
     
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    What? In Germany, nearly every loco has been everywhere at some point and of course can quite common locos like a Taurus be seen on RWB with freight, it was even used for a short time on the RB 48 Talent 2 replacement services. And the 155 was also very common in the 2000s and ran freight from Hagen towards Cologne and then up the rhine.
    I've found Pictures of both in Solingen after a short search. IMG_20210401_112058.png IMG_20210401_112253.png
     
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    Than the 155 should be an AI train aswell. The DB BR 182 is still a rare sight, but I don't really care whether it is AI or player only. Having the ability to play the MRCE BR 182 on a few RE services with n-Wagen (when the BR 110 with n-Wagen gets added as DLC) would be really nice.

    Thanks for the info!
     
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    Oh didnt know that, my bad then
     
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    upload_2021-4-1_11-38-55.png

    Here an MRCE BR 182 (like the one coming with Hamburg - Lübeck) hauling a rake of n-Wagen, among which National Express liveried coaches on RB 48 at Wuppertal-Steinbeck. Leased locomotives, among which the 182, with n-Wagen were used as a stop-gap measure for a long time after National Express got the contracts for RE 7 and RB 48.

    I think you should therefore be able to play the MRCE 182 with n-Wagen on this route if you have Hamburg - Lübeck, this route and the 110 + n-Wagen. (I don't think it should show up in an AI service though)
     
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    At least in Western Germany where most of the TSW routes are. Every now and then there are replacement Services provided by a MRCE 182. But it is a rare sight in western germany, yes.

    Take all my money. 110/111/141 with n-Wagen would be more than perfect.
     
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    upload_2021-4-1_11-57-31.png

    Here another 182, this time pushing a train of mostly National Express coaches out of Köln Hbf. (Couldn't paste this picture into my previous comment).

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    Another MRCE 182, with National Express n-Wagen on the RB 48 at Wuppertal Hbf.

    I really hope DTG makes this a possibility for people that own Hamburg - Lübeck, this route, and the 110 + n-Wagen DLC for this route.
     
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    I also spotted a Class 77 through Solingen and the Class 77 is like the twin of the Class 66, so maybe a chance for a secret ai train?
     
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    Correct and also a Retro Skin for 110 111 & 141 since those locomotives are constructed from the years 1954-1974 those were the years when pretty much the West Germany routes in train Sim world were electrified. That includes Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden electrification and Köln-Aachen. Only one route in train Sim World set in former East Germany Rapid Transit S-Bahn Leipzig. Speaking of MRCE BR182 the other variant is ÖBB 1116 those are the Aachen-Köln Innsbruck night trains. That assumes Train Sim World gets an Austrian ÖBB route. Furthermore the Austrian version ÖBB 1116 can be seen at Wuppertal Steinbeck Yard via Wuppertal Elberfeld. Flickr picture of ÖBB 1116 in Wuppertal is by Alexander Light . For this route the ÖBB 1116 can be another Secret AI train then and when it's Associated Austrian route comes into the game it can be driven in RWB as a normal ÖBB Wuppertal Steinbeck Yard to Wien or Salzburg freight train at the end of the route that will cause to load the Austrian DLC to which you can continue the service. I Based this feature on Main Spessart Bahn spawn as passenger at Aschaffenburg & Gemünden then walk up to the AI Freight Train to take control of it. [​IMG]
     
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    Moreover, OBB Tauruses are in and out of Munchen Hbf all the time, so could be layered into HMA
     
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    I would love that if the ÖBB Taurus comes to TSW with something like the Brenner pass.
     
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    TS Classic has both the Munchen-Garmisch and Garmisch-Innsbruck (Mittenwaldbahn) routes, which would be awesome.

    Unfortunately, the bulk of the express traffic, especially the ECs, Railjets and Nightjets, use the Kufstein-Rosenheim route, which is really boring.
     
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    Correct and also the HMA if they started from Köln Duesseldorf Frankfurt Rhine Ruhr Main river valleys. In the case of RWB ÖBB Taurus locomotives are found at Wuppertal Steinbeck & Köln Kalk goods yards. Some of them carry Laaers 560 car Transporters as the Duesseldorf Innsbruck sleeper train. Which would mean RWB having the most layered trains after Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg-Gemünden
     
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    The Taurus is a very nice Train perfectly fits on many routes, but we have also the Vectron that is used mostly very often in privat Cargo company's
     
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    How many Layers would be on the route if it would run with all the DLCs?
     
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    Do you mean how many different locomotives or how many diifferent services?
     
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    Yep, because that would be interesting to know what trains and how many trains run there a day
     
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    The ICE, IC, RE and RB services total about 256 services/day (assuming they run all day and that ICE 42, 43 and 91 run to/from Dortmund 4 times a day, this number might be slightly higher). The S-bahn services around Köln and Wuppertal add another 612 services to this (assuming they run 18 hours per day), although all these services have just a very short run on this route. There could be about 48 freight services added to this (one in each direction, each hour). More freight services could be added at night though.

    This would give us a total of 916 services. This number is really inflated by the amount of S-bahn services though, therefore the 304 services that ICE/IC/RE/RB and freight would give us are a more realistic number (this is a conservative estimate, and therefor a bit low compared to what is in game currently, with HMA having 427 services). This is the best estimate I can give you.
     
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    Yes there are many services, but not all of them will be in the game and the AI will never be perfect. There will always be left out services just so it can be playable. Shouldn’t be a huge issue.
     
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    Still, a very good route suggestion and definitely one which should be considered.
     
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    A Vectron would be so awesome
     
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    I agree and there's also the ÖBB Red version the 1293 at the freight yards in Köln Kalk and Wuppertal Steinbeck. Silver Vectron has two version BR193 straight electric dual mode is the BR 248. In real life you find them at two yards Köln Kalk & Wuppertal Steinbeck just like the ÖBB 1293.
     
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    I would love to have a Vectron in TSW 2
     
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    I actually made another suggestion that would come with a ČD vectron as standard (possibily with a ČD Cargo livery too). That Vectron could serve as the base model for many more variants.
     
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    I do wonder, however, about the prospect of having anything marked National Express or Abellio or any other non-DB operator. I don't believe that across all of TS and TSW there has ever been a loco/trainset in Germany carrying any colors other than DB or its subsidiary Railion* and it would not be especially unusual, in licensing world, for the DB licensing agreement specifically to forbid DTG to put any of DB's competitors in the game.

    *Except for MRCE/Dispolok, on freight locos only (the wagons are still DB), which is in a way a puzzlement
     
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    Not quiet right, i've seen freigh waggons by CD (Czech) in TSW.
     
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    What if the DB BR 101 was part of this route too.

    I think the coaches that will be delivered with the BR 101 will most likely be Eurofima or modernised m-Wagen coaches. Below you can see the most common types of these coaches:
    Bpmmz 284
    2nd class open coach
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    Bpmmdz 285
    2nd class open coach with bike storage
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    Avmmz 106
    1st class compartment coach with reduced number of compartments
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    Apmmz 126
    1st class open coach
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    Bvmkz 856
    2nd class compartment coach with bistro
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    IC Restaurant Coach:
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