Br Tops Classes Not Yet Featured In Either Tsw2 Or Ts Titles

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  1. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    With so many British Rail TOPS classes from the period 1955 to present that have not yet been introduced to either Train Sim World or Train Simulator titles, I think it would be awesome to have various examples of these created as stand alone dlc for use on various routes based on the era in which the routes were set. I will provide a few examples below...

    GWB
    Class 35 Hymek
    Class 42 Warship
    Class 50 Hoover
    Class 117/121 DMU
    Class 123 Express DMU
    Class 128 Parcels DMU

    GWE
    Class 59/0 & /1 Locomotive
    Class 60 Locomotive
    Class 165/1 DMU
    Class 180 Express DMU
    Class 360 Heathrow Connect EMU

    TVL
    Class 56 Locomotive
    Class 142 Pacer DMU
    Class 143 Pacer DMU
    Class 150/2 Sprinter DMU

    NTP
    Class 25 Rat
    Class 44 & 46 Peak
    Class 123 Express DMU
    Class 124 Express DMU
    Class 128 Parcels DMU
    Class 141 Pacer DMU

    SEH
    Class 70 Diesel Locomotive
    Class 92 Electric Locomotive
    Class 376 EMU
    Class 377 EMU
    Class 465/0, /1, /2 & /3 EMU
    Class 466 EMU

    ECW
    Class 33/1 &/2 Crompton
    Class 73 Electro Diesel Locomotive
    Class 171 DMU
    Class 455/8 EMU
    Class 456 EMU

    IOW
    Class 03 Shunter
    Class 05 Shunter
    Class 485 & 486 EMU

    WSR
    Class 14 Teddy Bear
    Class 35 Hymek
    Class 120 Express DMU
    Class 22 Baby Warship (no survivors)
    Class 41 Warship (no survivors)

    These types, amongst others, would provide a wealth of variety on the routes we already have. Tell me your thoughts.
     
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  2. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent list but here's the problem for Class 332 & 360 Heathrow Airport EMUs is the British Airports Authority will not permit Dovetail Games to send a team to Heathrow Terminals 1-5 railway stations for Security reasons for proper measurements. On the other hand, Class 141 Pacer needs a proper 1983-1984 Paint to fit NTP like the picture below [​IMG]
    Class 142 for TVL needs the Two-tone paint since TVL is set in 1989
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  3. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Pretty good list but one I would add is the Class 108 DMU, which were fairly ubiquitous and at some point we will get a UK route where they'd be right at home.

    ECW well a Class 205 Hampshire Thumper would be lovely, if maybe a little off route. Oh plus 4CIG and 4BIG, of course!
    SEH - a 4VEP and 4CEP/BEP in a heritage pack.
     
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  4. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    The first generation EMUs were not included due to ECW era but agreed these and 108s are a good choice.
     
  5. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    The Pacers do need the early liveries that you mentioned in order to fit. As for the 360, these often ran from Paddington to Hayes and Harlington which would negate the need for the unobtainable Heathrow branch and hence my lack of mention of Class 332 units.
     
  6. formulabee#1362

    formulabee#1362 Well-Known Member

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    GWE: 332 fishbowl
    TVL: 60 (yes I know they entered service a year or two later than the route is set) and 156 sprinter
     
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  7. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    They could do a retro pack similar to that done for GWE.
     
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  8. Mattty May

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    The 455/8 would be a fun addition. I like the look and sounds of this particular model.
     
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  9. dave55007

    dave55007 Well-Known Member

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    Think you could get away with a Class 55 Deltic on NTP. There's a loco I'd love to drive on TSW2

    Dave
     
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  10. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    If GWB was successful, we may well see more similar packs including this one.
     
  11. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    Only trouble is the 332 only called at Paddington and Heathrow so without the branch, there are no services for it.
    I did include the 60 on another route. The 156 are a good call.
     
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  12. RobSkip

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    33, 73, 455 and 456 would all be pretty useless on ECW considering they don't and didn't work the line when it's set in TSW. 73s are closest, but most RHTT work that way is done with 66s, and of course is very few seasonal services.

    Similarly, only the 377 of the stock proposed for SEHS would really be accurate for when the route is set, gets the odd 376 but rarely in service.

    Again because of the period, none of the IoW stock would be accurate, and similarly 120s have never worked over the WSR.

    Measuring stations is easy enough, the trouble is accurate gradient data and signalling information, the latter of which will now be challenging even with the cooperation of Heathrow due to the line's resignalling. Not to mention that the Heathrow branch would be pretty useless without ATP, and I don't see DTG implementing a completely now safety system (albeit one that should've been in the base GWE route), just for an extension.
     
  13. elaineedwards2013

    elaineedwards2013 Well-Known Member

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    SEHS definitely needs to also include the Class 376 Electrostar and Class 466 Networker.
     
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    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    The 120 did use this line in BR days and this, plus the fact that there are no survivors were my reasons for inclusion.
     
  15. RobSkip

    RobSkip Well-Known Member

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    But the route isn't set in that era?
     
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    RobSkip Well-Known Member

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    Why? The route is set last year, both classes were and still are rarely seen in that area. A 700 would be far more appropriate.
     
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    376 can't run past Gravesend on the North Kent lines except as empty stock because of the lack of toilets (so they're limited to services of 58 minutes or less) and don't run on the CML outside of zone 6
    466 may well be done as a shortened version of the 465 even if this would be incorrect for the cab
     
  18. elaineedwards2013

    elaineedwards2013 Well-Known Member

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    Oh ok.
     
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    finntd#7891 Well-Known Member

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    I would love a 124/128 for NTP as they would fit right in and bring some slightly more obscure locos into the spotlight I just hope Dovetail notices we want locos/MUs like these in the games
    I also wanna say we don't need a class 44/46 as they are very similar to the class 45 but I feel something cosmetically different like Headcode Discs or Blind on them would be interested
     
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  20. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Actually the first generation EMUS which are Mk1 derived can fit into ECW if there's a timetable service when the Class 377 entered service on ECW from the years 1999-2007 when the 1st generation EMUs are retired from ECW duties. The reason for this is very simple is that they don't meet the British equivalent of Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 that is the disability Discrimination Act 1995. Which means multiple units and railway carriages that haven't been retrofitted to comply with DDA 1995 must be retired to which the first generation trains fall under.
     
  21. RobSkip

    RobSkip Well-Known Member

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    The 377 isn't the limiting factor here, it's the route itself. Signage, signalling and a few other details have changed since '63 stock' left service.
     
  22. tibomatthijs

    tibomatthijs Well-Known Member

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    Some really good suggestions!
     

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