Well it's been a long time coming, but the stats for one of, if not the most anticipated loco add-ons has now entered the steamdb, the Class 313 for East Coastway: Considering that this and the upcoming Cathcart Circle both have similar looking locos, I was kinda wondering which one would be released first and it seems like it will be this one. Which makes sense as we've known about this one and has been in production for a lot longer. Steamdb: https://steamdb.info/app/1282590/history/?changeid=U:22745188
Very interesting to know this should come first, definitely putting it in my wishlist, I'd love to get it for ECW, but I'll get the same-ish train with Cantcharth Circle and I will be playing that and the RH routes more than ECW anyway... maybe after the novelty of the new routes has started to wore off or if I can find a pretty decent discount
Everytime I see my achievement % drops, something new is coming. Now I really hope the CL 313 is nicely done like CL 465 and BR 101. Don't know much about this train, but will buy it for more diversity in ECW.
It's very possible that it'll substitute already existing services. As far as I'm aware, the Class 313 should mostly take over the services between Brighton and Seaford, and might sub in for other ones as well.
CL313: Feeling Electric Complete the Southern BR Class 313 Introduction training module Upplåst 6 maj @ 16:11 CL313: Lonely Road Complete the Southern BR Class 313 scenario 'Far Reaches' Upplåst 6 maj @ 16:11 CL313: Swinging Around Seaford Complete 15 services using the Southern BR Class 313 Upplåst 6 maj @ 16:11 CL313: In a Flash Reach a speed of 60mph in the Southern BR Class 313 Upplåst 6 maj @ 16:11 CL313: Line Rider Operate the Southern BR Class 313 for 100 miles Upplåst 6 maj @ 16:11
Pretty sure TSG said there's an issue with the substitution system that basically means (unless with the 313 DTG have fixed the issue), TDG would need to completely rewrite the Munich timetable for the BR420, or have it exclusively run certain services. The BR420 is 3-car and the BR423 is 4-car and the game can't work out how to sub between them or something? It's the same situation with the 313, which is 3-car and the 377/4 is 4-car.
Class 313s on the East Coastway Line run three services: Brighton to Seaford Brighton to Lewes (I don't think this one runs at the moment, but definitely has in the past) Lewes to Seaford (I'm not sure this one has ever run, and certainly doesn't right now, but I have a feeling it has run before the pandemic) Services to Eastbourne (and Ore) are no longer run by 313s. I am 70% sure that the 313 will just replace the 377 on some services, like the 465 replacing the 375. As for the 314 on Cathcart Circle, I believe there are differences in the cab that should change the gameplay a little from the 313.
Pretty sure Southern completely refurbished their 313s including fitting a new cab, along with DMIs both outside and inside, as well as different seats (similar, or possibly the same as, the ones found in the earlier batches of 377s) and new carpets etc - whereas the 314s were basically as they were when built by BR, just in a different colour - so they'll be visually quite different. Not sure if they behave differently to the 314.
That's a potential DTG seems to be seriously not banking on only doing two special Javelins. So many special liveries could be done and put out as community rewards
It is a limitation of the current substitution system. The train that substitutes has to be the same length or shorter than the original one.
The number of cars is a bigger problem as the length of the train can be overshot, but the number is fixed and the game can't go around it.
Not sure what you mean by DMIs as the units aren't fitted with ETCS, but they do behave very differently as the traction equipment is different between the two. 313s have camshaft, 314s have thyristor control.
had 201 shunted into Bognor the last few nights, before then we had her berthed in LTH, i agree I love the livery and want it for when we get the 313
There are certainly a lot of changes in the cabs. I don't think it's as much as a 'new' cab, but a lot of things are in different places. The 313s have electronic destination displays, but I'm not sure whether it's the same on the 314. Either way, we wouldn't be able to control it because of DTG's PIS system. The 314s are largely unchanged from the original interior, as you say. Southern's 313s were heavily refurbished and are leap years ahead of the 314s. They have the same seats as fitted in the 3+2 sections on 377s, the 375/9s and the 379s, which are also fitted to the Merseyrail 50x units. However, they have armrests and are in a 2+2 formation, and for those reasons I'd rather go on a Southern 313 than in a 3+2 Electrostar. Some of the original seating is kept at the end of the coaches; I assume they couldn't be bothered to change them (I believe there is electric equipment under those seats, which was probably the main reason for not changing the seats). Hopefully they include it, as it is a spectacular livery, but I suspect they won't as it would involve more than a decal that occasionally appears on some units.
314s had rollerblinds even after refurbishment: b28367541b134a37d922633278280dda.jpg (1024×768) (pinimg.com) I'm sure that rollerblind dates from the 80s - newer rollerblinds are yellow-green text on a black background: 156424lsp.131218.jpg (1024×683) (wmbusphotos.com)
Tbf the 318 fleet have had a major refurbishment and look rather different to how they were in the BR days. I think when the 314s were refurbed they knew their days were numbered, and they'd have to buy new trains anyway, so why would they bother spending a load of money on them beyond smartening them up?
Remember that the 313s replaced 377s, so a massive downgrade. And the north/south argument doesn't really work with Scotland, since they got Junipers, Turbostars, Desiros, HSTs and now AT200s, while Northern has only just started introducing new trains (the first in years). They seem like the same seat to me, other than the colour.
Id agree with Doomotron in saying that the 313’s replaced the 377’s, which is a pretty big downgrade, so it only made sense that they got significant upgrades, ScotRail have also had an abundance of new rolling stock over the years, and never expected the 314’s to be in service long enough to warrant significant upgrading.
I think they might mean splitting the different length consists down into their own subsections (like they do with SEHS & the 465/375) but that’s not going to work in this instance since all the above units are the same length just with additional units, so they still can’t substitute a 3 car unit with a 4 car unit.
When you're going to play a particular service, you have "livery options", but instead of liveries, these enable you to choose between services run by 6-car (3 pairs) trains, 8-car (4 pairs) trains and 10-car (5-pairs) train. Instead of liveries you're selecting a length of the train and connected to that the services it runs.
And using your intuition to select the right one because they aren’t labelled. Like a train length lucky dip.
Another question do you think the class 313/314 will each get there own spots on livery editor,even thou some here keep acting like there almost the same type of emu?
So just now, the stats for the upcoming Glasgow Cathcart Circle route have now been added to the steamdb, but what's strange is that the stats for the class 313 have been temporarily removed: So whether the plan is now for Cathcart Circle to be released first or whether the 313 stats are just getting their proper icons and will be re-added later, we will see. Steamdb: https://steamdb.info/app/1282590/history/?changeid=U:22818130
If there is an issue at all. Something must have been worked out if what you say about how the dark art of the substitution system worked is correct, as the DLC is coming out soon.
The 313 stats are back in the steamdb after they were temporarily removed and replace with the Cathcart Circle stats. Except this time, they now have their correct icons instead of just a placeholder: Now comes the big question of which will be released first, this or Cathcart Circle. I'm sure we will find out in a couple of weeks. Steamdb: https://steamdb.info/app/1282590/history/?changeid=U:22995098
Probably not. IRL they operate Brighton to Seaford and Brighton to Lewes service but due to pandemic the Brighton to Lewes aren’t running at the moment.
Do those services use the bay platform at Lewes next to where the railtour and freight services start/end?
Platform 1: Services to Eastbourne and Ore (occasionally Seaford) Platform 2: Services to London Victoria Platform 3: Services to Seaford, Hastings and Ore from Brighton Platform 4: Services to Brighton Platform 5: Terminating services from Brighton ( Brighton to Lewes shuttle services)
Again, I already know this, as I said earlier. I was wondering if DTG were going to be a bit unrealistic and allow us to drive the service anyway.
