I fully understand that many scenarios (AP, etc) stipulate a list of DLC required for passing traffic etc, besides what you are driving, but one thing that mystifies me is when you see cases such as the below, where certain cars of a unit are there, but others are not, often indicated by the presence only of couplings or connection corridor 'rims'. I imagine the disparate rims and links are just standard inventory items the DLC drawns upon, but I'm rather curious how I can have some instead of all or none of a passing MU? Surely I either have that MU as DLC or not, or is it somehow a case again of the DLC drawing upon existing cars (which are thus rendered visible) but supplying the bodies of others - so these don't appear as I don't have that DLC?
The usual problem is where you are using a Reskin and the GeoPcDx file has not been copied from the default installation. The cars that appear are those not affected by the reskin
Thanks Peter. How would I go about finding out what’s missing for those particular trains? Just look at the initial error message, or is there a way to isolate missing assets for an individual train passing like that?
Have a look in the folders for the reskin and see that each coach has a GeoPcDx file If any don't have that file copy the one from the default train Which reskin is it?
It’s hard when I can’t even see a cab to derive the class from. I’m rather bad at identifying MU cars alone, let alone as they zoom past. The scenario I did was the AP thunderstorm one, which was also recorded by Alan Thomson, so I’ll have a look at that and watch what goes by.
I encountered this on the B&O Kingwood branch' as Peter said it could be reskin ( probably the most common ), in my case what fixed it was unpacking the AP files, not only did it fix all missing assets for the older routes like Horseshoe Curve and JT Marsdonshire, but my loco and wagons was suddenly visible in B&O
It doesn’t mention in the instructions for the weather pack. I’ll have a look at the initial error message for missing assets for the scenario when I’m next on the PC.
The scenario with the AP Weather Pack requires AP Class 375/377 Enhancement Pack AP Class 377/379/387 Enhancement Pack That pack reskins the 377/375 with the Chatham line From the picture it is a 387 like this one
Hmm, upon checking, I do have the AP 377/379/387 EP after all. So that’s obviously not the issue then. These are the only things listed in the loading error message: Seems to all be HST related? I have the AP Mk3 coach pack, but I presume that the ones listed here are HST specific? I only ever saw complete HSTs passing, so maybe this is a whole HST train that is missed out.
Have a look at at a HST - it has Mk3 Coaches with the Doors at the End Have a look at your pictures at the top which show a White coach with Green Doors at 1/3 and 2/3 positions and compare it with the picture of APs 387 An AP Enhancement Pack installs new BIN files that refer to the original files on the train being enhanced. If you don't have the original train it has nothing to refer to. You need the AP Class 377/379/387 Enhancement Pack If you think you have this do a Quick Drive with it - it should be under 377 if not 387
Yes, comparing shots from my run through and AT’s: It is definitely an issue with the EP pa k you mention. But I have this and it’s installed, so I’m still non-plussed….
I have the branding patch, but there’s no extra stock for this EP: https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/enhancements/emu_ep/class_377_379_387_enhancement_pack
Not sure which variant was in the scenario, but testing a couple on QD doesn't seem to have any issues: Which livery was used in the scenario - I can check that? Seems a slight variant of the above with white cab ends.
Afternoon, Peter, and thanks for your continued help in trying to sort this for me. I've managed to load and Quick Drive the Thameslink Class 387 without issue: Running the AP Weather scenario again, the items are still missing: I had a look at the map and see this is 2W37 In TS Tools, this is its consist - all seem to be AP 387 items. Based on what's visible, it seems like only the two MOSL coaches are appearing? Is there a cache that maybe needs clearing, that might sort things out, as I first did this scenario prior to installing the 387 EP?
The Clear Cache in in Settings in the game. I'm not sure if that would solve the problem Have you run the scenario since installing the 387 EP pack?
Yes, did it again just now - this screenshots were from the latest try just now. You're right, clearing the cach did nothing.
I also found this on the NEC New York--Philadelphia and the Peninsula Corridor Baby Bullet, someone don't understand what I say before, but now there is other evidence.
It’s something I’ve seen before on a number of occasions. It always seems to be a multiple unit, and in this case I guess I was determined to find out the cause!
The plot thickens! I've just been trying another AP Class 319 scenario on the same route, and lo and behold a complete AP 387 passes! Filled with renewed hope, I again tried the 'Thunderstorm' scenario, but still encounter the filleted train: Presumably it's some issue with that scenario then?
It is possible the Thunderstorm Scenario uses a unit with a reskin - I don't have it or the 387 so I cannot tell Go in to Build > Scenarios then pick MML and the Scenario > Edit It will enable you to check out each train that might be a problem You should be able to replace the missing vehicles - just don't lose the instructions off the lead vehicle Peter
Just seems bizarre that the page doesn't mention reskins: Scenario Requirements Please note that these items are only required if you would like to use the scenario included in this pack. AP Class 43 (VP185)/Mk3 Enhancement Pack - More Information AP Class 319 Electric Multiple Unit Pack Vol. 1 - More Information AP Class 375/377 Enhancement Pack - More Information AP Class 377/379/387 Enhancement Pack - More Information DTG European Community Asset Pack - More Information DTG Midland Main Line: London St. Pancras to Bedford - More Information JT Class 222 Advanced - More Information
Not sure if this might help. I have just run said scenario with no problem I was going to suggest to check in RailWorks\Assets\DTG\LondonGillingham\RailVehicles\Electric\Class375\TL_387_AP that the geoPcDx files exist for each of the coach denominations, MSOL, PTSOL etc. You may have already looked down this avenue but that is what looks to be the problem IMO Good luck My folder looks like this
Thanks, Craigie, for this. I have checked, and all these files are present and correct. I have been asked by AP to supply some screenshots and information, which I have just done. Will see if they can help. It occurred to me that the issue might somehow involve TS remembering (caching?) the various AI consists in the scenario, because I first ran the Thunderstorm scenario before I installed that AP 387 EP, then the other Class 319 scenarion after I had installed it. I wonder if I hadn't run the Thunderstorm scenario until after the 387 was added, this wouldn't have occurred? Pure suppositon, and I lack the technical nous to explain why or how this might occur, but a possible explanation there, somehow?
Well, just ten minutes after I sent the images to AP, I received a reply pointing out that it didn't look like I had installed the latest version of the Sky and Weather pack. I installed it, and lo and behold, I now have an intact 387! Apparently, the previous version of the Sky and Weather pack referenced a different version of the 387. Who'd have thought the weather pack could cause an issue with train consists! Many thanks indeed to everyone who tried to help with this - all very much appreciated! And, of course, to AP for their very quick response!
Not the Weather Pack but the Scenario for the Weather Pack The pack itself does not reference any trains Glad you got there Peter
Yes, I’d completely overlooked the fact that the scenario was associated with the weather pack, thinking it was a Class 319 scenario. If I’d picked up on that earlier, I might have thought to check if it was a weather pack issue.
Strange, I had cloned the WMCL North scenario A Chill Wind and swapped out the default 86 for the AP EP. You have to stop at Quintinshill for an HST to pass, before you can continue. In my cloned, standard scenario, I see the HST hurtling past, but in the default, career, scenario, I just saw the below - another case of disappearing train, leaving passing couplings.... I'm at a loss with this one. Certainly as a default career scenario that comes with the route, it shouldn't be looking for AP and JT requirements. Besides the fact that I can see the train perfectly well in the cloned route.
If you'd followed the HST with 8 key free cam I bet it would have spawned in, albeit a bit later than useful for you to see it in normal circumstances, because the HST was running at speed your PC basically wasn't quick enough to render it in.
Would that really make a difference, though? Why a complete HST in one and not a single carriage in the other? There's no difference in speed relative to me, as I'm stuck at the same red signal in both. Will try again and see what happens....
I've had that happen to me on many an occasion, just popped outside with No2 then jumped back in the cab and hey presto consist appears!
