Train Sim World 2 - Roadmap Update 25/01/2022

The preservation crew discussion on the stream is so disappointing. The Preservation crew have basically stopped doing preservation work and been tasked with other stuff. The reason given is that the queue of their updates in or awaiting testing is so long there is no point in adding to it.

This issue is a really big one honestly and I don't agree with the comments earlier about it being on the way to being overcome, if they aren't even doing any updates it doesn't suggest any confidence internally about this being sorted any time soon.

 

I haven't been able to read all of the posts in this thread but I just wanted to give thanks/praise to DTG for giving more time to HSC. Hopefully this trend will continue and they will give plenty of time to fix problems and not just release broken content.

 

Oh my Lord!!!

 

For me i hope that some "real" Audio fixes find the way to the preservation updates. Not like the BR 1442 or the BR 146.
In the older german releases it sounds like you have Hoverboards on the rails. No roll or junction sounds.

 

Assuming HSC is horseshoe curve wouldn’t the decision for delay lie with Skyhook as it’s their route

 

We all understand this. Question is, will your customers (inc. myself) be patient enough? Many are losing interest in the game because of these delayed updates (whether these are preservation crew updates or high-priority fixes of bugs that've been present for quite some time). At the end of the day, even if the community sympathises with your reasoning, that won't stop them from abandoning the game. They want to have fun, without bugs and compromises. Simple as that.

 

All sorts of new features, AI despatching being the main one but vastly improved physics (apparently) which were already good and dynamic weather. Oh and manuals, DTG take note!

 

In my Opinion, Horseshoe Curve is going to be the next 313. In case you don't know, the 313 was added to the Roadmap way back in August 2020 and finally moved up to the Upcoming position around May last year, then 2 weeks later, dropped to In Production and was rarely talked about until October 2021, when it moved to Upcoming then released later that month. Horseshoe Curve moved up to Upcoming and then dropped in the next roadmap and so far has not really had any updates

 

So far i can say i am disappointed at today stream, no new update, and not information that we want to hear. This is really disappointing, and a bad way to start a fresh start, for the company. The team did show the update on Steam train and route which is exciting and all, but we have to wait who knows when. As of right now i am disappointed.

 

Good observation....for some reason I thought after all that time we've had some DTG announced locos but we haven't. Content sitting on a roadmap for longer than intended is one of the main reasons for the change though. In the current format, we would have had the DTG loco reveals spread out

 

Ok DTG should just tell us if the MNRR route is to White Plains or North White Plains at this point

 

To each their own, but personally- A new Swiss route, from the team who developed a notoriously rubbish Swiss route, more Harlem stuff which could be interesting and finally another northern route- except oh wait! It’s set in the past! AGAIN! Count me out.

 

it will be white plains otherwise they would state north in the end of the route description on the roadmap

 

So what sort of timeframe can we expect to see some preservation updates to be released? I believe on stream they mentioned the first one (of god knows how many) may release alongside the expansion pack, but I don't believe there's a release date for that yet.

It's absurd to think it's still probably a matter of months until the likes of GWE and other routes get much needed updates. Everything moves so glacially slow. I know reasons have been given but it doesn't make it any less frustrating.

It's so depressing that when a route or loco releases and an issue is found we may have to wait half a year or maybe even longer for them to be addressed (Boston Sprinter signalling is an example, and at this rate getting updated sounds to the ECW 377 and SEHS 375 is another- I just can't bring myself to drive them now London Commuter exists, I'm desperate to see it updated).

 

Matt confirmed north white plains on the "extend the harlem line thread". Service termini are not at white plains, wont make any sense though.

Howerver if its the case it got cutted, it will be my first "no buy" since i got into tsw, nomatter how stunning the route and stock are made.

 

When has DTG released buggy unplayable content? I have it all (except DLGW), and while there are annoying bugs not one route is unplayable.

Arosa was, arguably, but Rivet have more or less sorted its gamebreaking physics issues (the naff scenery is another story)- and anyway, that's not DTG.

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Microsoft is one of the world's largest corporations, with billions in the bank, tens of thousands of employees- and an installed outlook base of all the world's businesses. Not really comparable.

 

Removed by DTG Natster - Don't spam.

 

I think the new swiss route will be the mainline between Luzern and Zug.
Here is the link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug–Lucerne_railway

 

Doesn't everyone? By definition?

 

Again, I do not believe DTG have yet decided on the 2022-23 DLC releases, which would (presumably) include locos. Harlem is the last of the lot decided upon a year ago, with Crewe (I strongly suspect) being its own special thing outside the usual development channel..

The thing I wonder about is whether the full set of ~6 routes and some number of locos will appear on the Roadmap as soon as the decision is made, or they will want to space them out. Myself, I think they should lay their cards on the table.

 

WTH does SPG need with PIS? It's all freight!

 

I think DTG has been bought up by a German Company, most likely DB, and have even painted their offices red.

 

Remember when London Commuter first initially launched? When the 387 had 377 sounds and spawning at Victoria caused an awful lighting glitch and the framerate was unbearable? Because I do. And even so, the point still stands. I and I'm sure many others won't just shut up if we have a problem with the game that we want to see fixed.

 

I hope it won't be the next 313 case

I can say i'm not too happy when the HSC announced another delay. I hope it won't take so long, also since Skyhook get more time to develop the route, could also fixing some wrong thing we've seen in the screenshots we've shown few weeks ago.

C'mon Skyhook, finish it as soon as possible, i already save some of my money to be the first day purchaser of this route. Cheers

 

Especially because the majority of the routes is german and an additional german route is on the Road Map. Ironie

 

So that mean it might come next week

 

I didn't really understand their logic that they may base the release of the updates and fixes on how popular a route is per the player stats. Here's a thought, perhaps people are avoiding the certain routes because they are broken - PZB on Rapid Transit for example.

 

Well, we have the usual doves vs hawks debate. When the dust settles I do think that the hawks have some genuine beefs. The problems with the dlc limit on PS5, the endless delay in the release of Preservation Crew updates, and the seemingly insoluble bugs on Rush Hour routes are all getting very old.

Plus I do recall that statement that, to paraphrase, " we have a testing bottleneck that we're just beginning to clear up" was made about 6-8 months ago.

For myself, I've pretty much lost interest in the Roadmap and the streams that accompany it. It's no longer informative or reliable and nowhere near as entertaining as it once was. I just wait for DTG to announce whatever they're releasing on the forum and go from there. That way I can sometimes be pleasantly surprised or at least reliably informed about what's coming up.

In the end, with the caveats mentioned at the beginning of my post, I'm OK with the game and, although I wish it would move forward a little faster, I understand that, with 6 different platforms, including some aging hardware to accommodate, the developer is doing a creditable job with a tough row to hoe and the limited resources of a niche game with a relatively small player base.

 

It feels like the pres updates will never get released despite it being completed for a very long time. It's almost like a 'carrot and stick' situation, where you can see what has been completed, but it never gets closer to actually being released.

The fact that they don't have their own update slots and have to 'piggy back' with other DLC updates is an issue in itself. That combined with the extremely lengthy QA process does not make a good combination at all.

So realistically, I have a feeling we'll have to continue with the extremely slow progress for another 6-12 months. I can't see anything changing with this current bottleneck situation, if I'm honest with you.

 

Are you trolling?

 

No, just parodying the average run of posts on these roadmap threads. After all, after enough of them one does begin to wish that the whiners could come up with some new, creative whines instead of the same old stale ones.

 

It seems (thank goodness) that on the YouTube upload of the stream they re-balanced the audio so that Nat and Adam come out at the same volume.

 

Sorry, but the major " whines" " mentioned in this thread and in my post above are stale only in the sense that they haven't been addressed in a very long time. You may not be experiencing the crashes and other problems in the game, but many, particularly console players do on a daily basis. You may continue to defend DTG, but it doesn't change the facts.

 

Hmmm, lessee:
UK: GWE, NTP, TVL, WSR, BKL, ECW, SHHS, GCC, BML, IOW, WCL - 11, plus LCR coming
DE: RT, RSN, MSB, RRO, HRR, SKA, HMA, HBL, DRA, DCZ - 10, plus nothing coming
US: SPG, LIRR, PC, CRR, BPR, CCR, SHH - 7, plus HWP and HSC coming
CN: OSD -1
FR: LGV -1
CH: ARL - 1

And the one just added to the roadmap is Swiss, not German. They're different, you know.

 

Isn’t that the definition of a disagreement. Someone has an opinion the you disagree with. I mean really, you can do better than that.

I usually disagree with blanket troll statements such as Rivet only produces LOVE. I usually will listen to constructive criticism of which your post was devoid.

 

The next logical step for them is introducing a new country while keeping German PZB LZB Sifa Austria Rosenheim Innsbruck Railway or Linz St Polten Wien Hbf freight is Verschiebebahnhof Linz to Wien Kledering. Here's what they need to consider Austrian locomotives can run all German routes and give us an Electric Shunter ÖBB 1063 1064 diesel 2070. Possibly a cross-border route Germany Austria Innsbruck Garmisch München Salzburg freight is München Laim to Salzburg Gnigl. There is a hump yard at Salzburg Gnigl locomotive for it is ÖBB 1163 2070.

 

This is a problem on many streams by DTG. I nearly always watch them with a finger on the volume button.

It would be great if the regular hosts came to some sort of agreement on a consistent audio level to use for the streams. It shouldn’t be too complicated with a volume measuring tool showing perceived loudness on the mic outputs and then a compressor to catch the volume spikes. It would make watching these streams more convenient.

 

That is a easy question to answer. London Commuter. That route on last and ironically on some current consoles has memory crashes when arriving into London Victoria and in some instances when leaving Victoria. That makes the route unplayable for many last gen and some current gen users. Riesa Dresden also has memory crashes as well making that route unplayable for some players.

You may not be experiencing issues but that doesn't change the fact that DTG unfortunately with London Commuter and to an extent Riesa Dresden have released an unplayable broken product for many last gen console players

 

Pc players are the lucky ones in this case, i havent had a single crash in london commuter since release.

The key element for my decision was clearly to have no annoyance on the hardware side.

Im surprised old gen players are the majority of tsw. I wouldnt be such patient to waste my time in dlc limits, broken sounds, memory problems etc.

But thats my own opinion.

 

You are not wrong there, i am also experiencing lag and glitches and FPS drop as well, which stutter, in some parts of the London Route, especially when coming out of Victoria London, and Brighton Terminal as well, and other German Route as well. I am sure we are not the only one

 

PS4 players don't have the dlc limit. PS5 players have that. Also it's not surprising at all that last gen are still the majority since it's nearly impossible to get a PS5 or Xbox Series unless you pay scalpers $200+ over retail price. People aren't gonna do that and with the chip shortage causing the lack of availability of current gen consoles expected to last till early next year at the earliest, last gen users will make up the majority of the playerbase I suspect for the next few years until current gen consoles become more available.

 

We have lots of train layers on other routes, why does HMA make so much problems on consoles, that there are only the S Bahn and ICE Layer?

 

Route assets.

 

9th gen consoles are impossible to get, except at scalper prices

 

They’re not , otherwise no one would have one . They are just difficult to get

 

Your logic is faulty: people obviously pay scalper prices to get them. If they didn't the scalpers wouldn't charge what they do.

 

With no new UK route it seems before SOS, a Swiss route by Rivet with their poor reputation and two US routes of very little interest (compared to the revived Run 8) can’t see me buying much in the next few months.

 

Feels like DTG need to get their house in order. In a rush to get DLC through the door instead of the core platform... we're looking at:
- Still unresolved issues with past routes
- Regressions in route technology
- Preservation updates being withheld
- Playstation owners scratching their heads at their trophey cabinets
- Rivet still releasing DLC that can't break the 69% positive mark
- Dispatcher still limiting the potential of routes (BKL/LIRR)
- Regression back to a more conservative "roadmap"
- Still no glimmer of more diverse content

Only two glimmers of positivity I've seen are Spirit of Steam, and JustTrains. I get that DTG are a business, but the amount of cumulative issues and missed opportunities is getting a bit ridiculous.

 

I'm more inclined at the moment to take a gamble on rivets new Swiss route rather than those American oblong trains.

Rivet have taken a gamble and as much as it pains me to say I'm swaying that way between that and Harlem