Some Licenced Liveries Will Be Allowed On Creators Club

DTG have just announced that some licenced liveries will be allowed on creators club these are GTR (Thameslink, Southern, Gatwick Express and Great Northern), MBTA, New Jersey Transport, West Midlands Combined Authority, Railpool, Union Pacific and DB and there may be more added. So what is everyone's thoughts on this, personally I'm quite excited with this announcement.

 

Well that certainly turns the tables, but will be a bit odd if they're not going to be including those operators' logos in the livery designer - I'm not too sure if they'd be happy people mocking up their logos (I'm not watching the stream, will do later).

 

I am pleased but will wait to see how this plays out. I am sure we will hit some kind of limit somewhere.

 

I have to say after watching that I'm a bit like "so what "...

It might just be me but I'm yet to find any livery excitement. Scenarios will be interesting but that only depends on if narratives etc can be built in as DTG do and I don't believe they can when I've looked at it.

 

They’re actually planning on doing exactly that. In fact, some of the companies mentioned above have offered to provide some official logos for them to put in the livery designer. They talk about the topic in the stream.

 

The in-game description is auto-generated (and it's extremely obvious when reading it, even if you don't know that)

That's good, would certainly be nice to see.

I'm assuming this is an American thing, and not the WMPTE in Britain?

 

WMPTE is long gone. Now it's WMR/LNWR, which are under TfWM (Transport for West Midlands), which is under the West Midlands Combined Authority. (They said combined and not transportation on stream, perhaps a source of the confusion.)

 

Sorry my bad will edit it now.

 

This is potentially great news!

Fwiw, NJ Transit doesn't have an appropriate route to run on atm- NEC:NY would have worked, but alas didn't make the move to TSW2.

I have to think there's a hint at upcoming content with some of these...

 

HURRAH!

Query: since UP is onboard, does that include their absorbed fallen flags like SP, Rio Grande etc?

 

WMCA could mean Abellio West Midlands Trains is featured in game. This is great news!

 

Amazing news! Really looking forward to it now

 

I have difficulties to understand the problem with real liveries on something like Creatoes club. Its one thing selling a product like Tsw whith brands, thus making money, and its something else when amateurs create their own skin and share them online.

I think about all the Ai traffic add ons for airsims like P3D or even more recently MSFS. No company care about liveries as long as they are not inside a selled sim.

Or maybe I do miss something ? Or train compagnies are more "sensible"?

 

It's more playing safe I think, it's not unheard of for developers to get C&Ds for stuff their fans made, had no control over, and possibly didn't know existed.

Apparently on being asked by DTG for a Eurostar license, they said 'no' so hard they also threatened to sue anyone who made a reskin using their livery/logo in TS1, be it free or not, but that appears to have just been an empty threat.
Coca-Cola once sent a C&D to a freeware map creator (I think this was for MSTS) because they used the CC logo on a billboard in the far distance.

 

Cool now i can share my Thameslink 377

 

Two things are at play from the perspective of the railroad companies:

1. They don't want a crappy version of their logos and trademarked liveries out there. If I tried to make a CSX with the Livery Designer, it would look terrible and could theoretically reflect poorly on CSX . People who saw it might think "CSX has the ugliest trains in the world." Is any of that likely? No, but it's the kind of thing brands care about.
2. Trademarks have to be used and actively defended if you want to keep them. If you let other people freely use them all over the place, they can theoretically expire and go into the public domain. Again, not a likely scenario, but it's possible and there are plenty of lawyers who are required to challenge unauthorized use of trademarks or they will lose their jobs.

 

Just try including a Coca-Cola billboard in a mod and see how fast Coke's lawyers send you a C&D.

 

I don't understand it either. Other games, like Tran Fever/Transport Fever for example have no problem with mods containing real liveries and brandings. It's up on the Steam workshop and the official Transport Fever facebook page very often even shares screenshots containing branded content, even though they don't have licence with any of these brands, Yet it doesn't seem to be a problem?

The only difference I could see is that in Transport Fever the content is just there, while for TSW the devs have to reach out for the railroad operators to get reference material and help from them for things like how systems work and signalling, so I suppose they need a better relationship with them, therefore they actually need to care about these legal stuff to not "anger" or scare away any of them.

Probably never, considering we already have mods containing McDonald's billboards for the game and noone bats an eye.

 

If those companies are allowing use of their brands. Why not just release a bunch of new official liveries?

 

Also, most other games, the mods are not distributed by the company making the game. In the case of TSW2, the company, DTG, is distributing the livery and scenario, which create an entirely new and different situation which may have repercussions that we can not see or imagine

 

^This. DTG have no control over or responsibility for mods shared on outside websites. But if they themselves are running a sharing system, then what happens there is DTG's responsibility.

 

Some are DB BR182 MRCE BR182 locomotives turned into Austrian OBB 1116 & 1016 locomotives. In the future when DTG adds OBB these can be compared to the DTG versions

 

We got MBta licensed on TSW 2 I wonder if we’ll see any more MBta routes like the Worcester/Framingham,Franklin line or some from north station to Lowell or north station to Haverhill.

 

Out of interest, are you talking about Britain or America?

 

Hurrah! Finally some good news! Looking forward to downloading some GTR designs (though don’t expect me to be making any- my livery designer skills leave something to be desired!)

 

Never mind, just looked it up.

 

America.

 

I really want colas and drs for the 37 but let's just hope

 

There's hundreds of routes we need more than another MBTA one, especially so soon after Boston Sprinter.

 

We need More American Passenger Route Especially.

 

We need more American passenger routes, more classic German routes and more electric British locos

 

You mean less electrified British routes?
Crewe - Liverpool is the first unelectrified route since Tees Valley.

 

What about West Cornwall Local?

 

Genuinely, forgot that even existed, but even so, there's still quite a lot of electrified UK routes in a row; four coming with an electrostar of some form. It's quite disproportionate, really, given outside London and the South East, it's only really mainlines and the odd commuter line that's electrified (I think Glasgow is the only city outside the LSE area to have a fully electrified commuter network).

 

Merseyrail is 100% electrified, and the Cardiff commuter network is electrifying and converting to tram-trains.

 

Yes, but Merseyrail isn't the entire Liverpool commuter network.

 

Does Northern run some of it?

 

Yes, to Manchester via Warrington, and TfW run services to Chester - both diesel.

 

Glasgow Southwestern Line and Maryhill Line? Both fully Diesel in Glasgow.
(The Glasgow Southwestern will soon be electrified as far as Barrhead and East Kilbride, right enough.)

 

Ah, I'd forgotten about the Maryhill line.

 

Technically you could say that Stirling only has electric (passenger) lines

Not really a network, but it counts.

 

I think he means electric locomotives, not EMUs. There are none to date in TSW.

 

Ahh, that makes a lot of sense- better safe than sorry, I suppose. Either way, I do hope you can figure out some agreements with other brands when possible and this looks like a good step forward!

 

Despite DBAG liveries being allowable, am I right to assume the ICEs can't be used either?

 

Probably, I still don't think you'll be able to upload ICE 3 liveries. I think it has something to do with DB not wanting their flagship train being repainted, into a dragon for example.

 

What I would like to know is what about Logos from the past that belong to DB.

For example DR- Deutsche Reichsbahn or DBB Deutsche Bundesbahn.

I would love to have a DR BR243, this is the DB BR143 when it ran for Deutsche Reichsbahn.

 

I wonder if DB will cover DB Cargo UK as well, perhaps Arriva Trains too as that is also owned by DB. No idea how likely that is as licensing is a dark art beyond the comprehension of us mere mortals but I do look forward to hearing from DTG on exactly what those agreements mean for us.

 

DBAG is the legal successor-in-interest to both DBB and DR, including the former companies' intellectual property. Ergo the Ozeanblau DBB 363.

EDIT: also, any German steam route would have to be either DBB or DR, since steam was gone long before the merger.

 

The license doesn't cover Arriva, so i doubt ou'll be able to put Arriva logos in.