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  1. mfeets

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    There's an SP in the background that hasn't been shown yet...
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Probably this car I didn't post Saturday since the forum only allows 5 photos in a post unless you use an external hosting site.
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    Lol yeah thats it
     
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    TBTs continued work on the CP SD70ACu
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    Everything that DTM will include in their upcoming F3 pack.

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  6. sphexi

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    I am assuming DTMX on the tank car is pre-release placeholder. :)
     
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    A good selection of liveries for locos and rolling stock that lasted into the mid 70s on some roads.
     
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    Unsure, in their Turbine Pack DTM was able to use a real reporting mark for that packs tank car, however, for their U33C pack, all the cars had no reporting marks, just numbers.
     
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    I can't think reporting marks are copyright/trademark/restricted. I'm trying to think of the reasoning and not coming up with one...
    ...although stranger have happened I guess.
     
  10. Blacknred81

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    Smokebox has posted some photos of the progress on the Challenger.
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    TBT now has another project with Espee's GP40X's.
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    Update on Milepost's next route. Rio Grande Southern maybe? Screenshot 2022-02-03 165324.png
     
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    Ok, how would you even know that from a wooden bridge (now that's just spitballing right there).
     
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    Both of them(there was another one earlier) look very Colorado-ish and I've looked up some of their bridges, some of them look pretty similar. Also I'm just totally speculating.
     
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    My guess is that it is in a mountainous area of the USA.

    I have a degree in the blindingly obvious.
     
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    I am hoping its at least another narrow gauge route, since Clear Creek is the only NA one "officially" so far in game, also we are lacking some steam era routes as well.
     
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    Thank you, Captain Obvious.
     
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    My point is - from a picture of a trestle what else can you get? Why not just wait and all will be revealed, guessing games are for the kids.
     
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    How do you know there are no kids he-...wait, you must be 18+. Noted. :D

    It's fun to guess things, but at the same time if the clue is something that doesn't really give us much of a clue, it's not really a good game. They could help with a better clue. LOL For all I know, it's a bridge in Sweetwater, Tennessee.

    And FTR, if that's it, lucky stab.
     
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    Maybe it isn't a clue but just a picture showing the work in progress. For kids read under 6 yrs, older should know better.
     
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    Game devs do that all the time, so do sim devs, IL-2's producer likes to post weird cryptic messages just to get people speculating, and DCS like doing their end of year vids, and those tease tons of things. And on the train sim side DTM also post teasers all the time, pretty sure a few other train sim devs as well. It's a utter bizarre stance to act like you'd have to be six to think that Milepost do the same.
     
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    I mean, when they were teasing Shasta, they previewed the Cantara Loop, which someone way back in this thread guessed, and they guessed right.

    But these trestles seem too generic to point to any railroad at the moment.
     
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    Yes that was me as well.
     
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    New milepost shot featuring a K-27.... Screenshot 2022-02-05 123118.png
     
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    Well, that does eliminate RGS for their next route then (since they only obtained 2 of them). But, since their store page does say later 2022/early 2023, guess it's gonna be awhile until more progress on this Rio Grande route is given.
     
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    At least now we know we will be getting a new US steam route that is narrow gauge.
     
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    TBT teasing a Kodachrome GP35 to go with the SP GP40X.
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    Another update, also apparently its 50 miles long. Screenshot 2022-02-15 072700.png
     
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    The Durango and Silverton (see Cumbres and Toltec thread) happens to be 48 miles long.
     
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    I doubt it would be the Silverton Branch. The scenery for the 2 images on the right doesn't quite match up with that route. Almost the entire line from Durango to Silverton is heavily wooded with very little rolling hills. Perhaps it could be the old branch line from Durango to Farmington? The distance between the two sits at just around 50 miles and having driven through Farmington last summer, I can say that the scenery lines up a bit more closely with those images.
     
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    Milepost confirmed on Facebook that the era is the 1940's.
     
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    Just a little input here...
    After seeing earlier debates here, as well as the photos released from Milepost, I was almost certain it was Rio Grande Southern. I've spent to date around 3 hours trying to find each bridge that was posted, and I think I've found too of them.

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    Here is the first photo Milepost teased.
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    This is bridge 57-B, located at Gallagher, Colorado. This is the only good photo I could find of this bridge, but you can clearly see the likeness of the landscape, the river, and the beginnings of a cut on the left of the image.
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    This is the 3rd photo Milepost teased. The second was also of this bridge, but this has a better angle to it.
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    This is bridge 43-A, just above Ames, Colorado. The height and length seem about right, but since drones didn't exist in those days, the correct angle in the teaser photo can not be replicated. More photos of this do exist as this bridge was standing through the 70s, but this one clearly shows the creek at the bottom.

    The other small bridge is less noteworthy, and unless I buy several books on the RGS I most likely won't be able to find it. The other non-bridge photo appears to me not that far away from the aforementioned bridge, so the chances of finding exactly where that is is also next to nothing.
     
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  35. Cyclone

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    So this came up on Discord. I'll discuss below.

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    I'm now going to circle Gallagher and Ames on this map.

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    They are 14 miles apart from each other, on either side of Ophir. Therefore, if this guess is to be considered accurate, the route is at least Rico to Telluride. A route length of at least 30 miles or so. It probably goes to at least Dolores to the southwest and Ridgeway to the north of Telluride. Montrose is off-map on another image and a local line starts there heading north today.

    A good guess then is Ridgeway to Rico, and the first 39 miles or so lead to Vance Junction and the Telluride branch. Alternatively, a route terminus is Telluride, Vance Junction does not proceed to Ridgeway, and the map instead goes past Rico to Dolores. The route would not go all the way to Durango at milepost 161. Even Ridgeway to Dolores at 102 miles seems long. Rico at 66 miles sounds right if it starts at Ridgeway. We know the area on either side of Ophir must be included for the pictoral guesses to be correct. So there are two possible options for the specific route, three if 102 miles (plus a branch of eight miles) is not considered too long. And let's remember Marias Pass was over 100 miles, but this was in 2013 and routes have tended to be shorter in the last five or more years. Remember Donner Pass as well.

    There is one last option. See this.

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    Placerville may be the terminus at milepost 26 and continue up to a cut point before or at Omega. Rico at milepost 66 is a terminus, Blackhawk and Enterprise are included. That's 41 miles, and there might be an extra mile south of my perceived end point. But the branch to Telluride? Vance Junction to Telluride is from milepost 39 to a cut after milepost 47. That's 49-50 miles right there.

    I think I've nailed it.

    Thanks to Blacknred81, who posted a couple posts back, for posting the map on Discord. I hope he doesn't mind my analysis.
     
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    Ok, if it is part of the RGS that's being predicted for this route over there. That still leaves one problem in this guesstimate, the K-27 from the images. While this route is gonna be dated in the 1940s, RGS only acquired 2 of the K-27s (1 in 1939 and 1 in 1950). So unless Milepost is also making another steam loco to fit the time period (so far only seeing one), how would this make any sense at all.
     
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    Well RGS had one of almost everything, the other other engine they had more than one of was a C-16/19 and the Galloping Geese. The K-27 could also be skinned D&RGW, #463 was on lease to RGS for part of the 40s.
     
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    Well besides leasing, so far, this is what the RGS have in their actual roster prior to the 1940s (minus the Geese):

    -#20 (T-19 from F&CC)
    -#40 (DRGW C-19)
    -#41 (DRGW C-17)
    -#455 (the K-27)
    (Plus #74 from C&S, but was acquired from 1948. Which is close enough)

    But I do see your point if the K-27 would not only have the RGS logo included, but also the Rio Grande one as well. Then it would make the leasing thing more reasonable for the K-27s on this route.
     
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    How many K-27's were present really doesn't suggest when all the screenshots only show one so far. Once we start seeing pics with three or four of them at a time then maybe we can can start considering that as a factor, but right now I see no reason to do so.
     
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    Here's four more. Screenshot 2022-02-19 085250.png
     
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    Photo 1 - Butterfly Trestle (44a) Butterfly, CO
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    Photo 2 - Bridge 57b at Gallagher, CO
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    Photo 3 - Bridge 57a at Gallagher, CO
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    Photo 4 - ?
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    So, while they don't develop releases on steam, I do think it's worth noting....

    Diesel Workshop has removed a majority of their locomotives from their store including their ALCO RS-3, leaving only their recently released Baldwin AS-616 on their site. It believe its due to them possibly using sounds from sources without permission.
     
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    This is a very likely cause. I remember a user on Discord noting that the AS-616 previously used audio developed by him, but even now it still uses some model railway sounds possibly without permission. So technically, they have no legal products available at this time.
     
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    Regarding Diesel Workshop, they have posted a notice regarding the issue:
    https://www.dieselworkshop.net/post/important-notice

    I really hope this doesn't turn into a "licensing issue". In the readme for the 567 Enhancement pack it mentions that the original 567 sounds that are used were released as Public Domain. If this is true, then this really shouldn't even be a discussion as they are free to use in any way by anyone. I'm assuming (which is dangerous) they decided to use some of the modified stuff from CentralJerseyRailfan, credited him, but didn't ask him. Hopefully this will get sorted out quickly and amicably.
     
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    The Alco RS3 had an Alco 244 engine not an EMD 567 and it is this Alco 244 engine recording that is a bone of contention.
     
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    The contention is using things that are public domain in a payware product. I think that's what annoyed someone, and perhaps a terms of use did not clarify this restriction when the public domain developer thought it had.
     
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    New Milepost Route teaser photo
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    Photo 1 - Possibly 42-A between Keystone and Anderson, this is the best photo and no other bridge matches as well as this one upload_2022-3-7_16-26-38.png
    Photo 2 - 37-B at Bilk, [​IMG]
     

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    So, credit to Cyclone for finding this 1st, and posting it on the TSC discord, but we may have another 3rd party route developer in the mix.

    Larias Games has been teasing a new route since November of last year.
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    This picture here I think is the biggest giveaway, as I compared it to a shot on US30, just west of La Grande Oregon.
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    This makes me think that the route is going to be Union Pacific's La Grande Subdivision, running from Hinkle to La Grande Oregon. Which would span about 105 miles.

    Era is still a bit iffy though, one teaser has modern UP equipment, while another as Amtrak's Pioneer Service, which was discontinued in 1997.
     
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    Yeah, I posted two of those on Discord, but didn't think of posting them here.

    The Pioneer did indeed run from 1977 to 1997. Is the modern UP equipment something that existed before 1997?
     
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    Not in that scheme, the Building America paint didn't come in till the 2000's, UP's 1st AC44 wasn't delivered til '97 I think. Obviously the Gevo doesn't fit either.
     
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