Sure, but nothing can be made without going through DTG or having their name and brand attached to it. They can absolutely set requirements - and I'm sure they do.
Oh boy, This looks like another Isle of Wight but busier. Hope they at least keep it reasonably busy unlike their other routes. I know they did a lot of work in IoW and Arosa with vast areas you can explore on foot. But I would rather drive another 5km than walking on feet exploring in a game called TRAIN SIM WORLD. Just sayin'
Locomotives you are looking for are SBB CFF FFS Re484 Traxx and SBB CFF FFS Re474 both are Quadvoltage locomotives. DC pantograph is a 1.45m copper contact strip for Italy RFI and can also work under RFI 25kv 50hz just like how TGV uses it's Metalized carbon contact strip to run Deutsche Bahn 15kv 16.7hz.
Well, everyone always wants new countrys, so as already mentioned, if you go beyond DE/UK/US, where already plenty of content and options for layering is avaible, there has to be the one first foreign route, that only has one train, as is has become standart in TSW sadly, and nothing to layer on it. E.g. the first long awaited dutch route, if there ever will be one, will likely be similar to this route, as you first have to build all the assest and signalling etc.... in which future routes in this country are based on. The next SBB route will then be another new train with the flirt as a layer, and this is how you build your collection for a new country. And i hope the shorter route will mean no rushed or itll do scenery.
Hmm... I'd love some Swiss content, but I do have my doubts about this one. That train looks awfully modern (I'd prefer something a little older), and the route seems to be extremely short. I'll wait for previews to decide. Perhaps the scenery will be amazing enough to convince me to make a purchase.
Is this route really only 25km? It’s hard to believe this concept got past the brainstorming stage, never mind the planning stage. I hope it’s priced accordingly! Surely RG would know what kind of a negative reaction that would likely get from much of the community? Sorry for ranting but I’ll vote with my wallet.
At this point I think Rivet could announce [insert whatever your biggest wish is] and they would still get so much negative recation even if the release is months away.
Not from me. I was fine with the cornish route, particularly after layers were added. Arosa and IOW made sense, although I don't replay them often (even less so with the PS5 issue)
Arosa not at full price is actually likeable after the timetable update. There are still two things awfully wrong: loco jumping when giving power and distant scenery
Rivet games just confirmed that they have worked on the sound and they have a (as we say in germany) “ace up in their sleeves” That is a really good thing if you ask me
Actually, I have a fun time driving Arosa and IOW - never really experience the lurching all have talked about on Arosa since usually you are on a slope so apply a little power, then release the brakes. That aside, both are unique routes compared to others released and nice diversion and Inever have come close to buyer’s remorse on purchasing either route. This being a standard gauge route in another country when many of the vocal minority have been screaming for something outside of the US/UK/DE sphere being met with negativism on just the announce of the route all ready goes to prove the statement you can’t please all the people all the time.
Is there really a way to apply "a little power" on the GE 4/4 II? I might be doing it wrong, but using the usual throttle and setting it to 5km/h, gives me full throttle all the way to 5km/h, which makes shunting (especially coupling) quite challenging...
It's the fact that I've been looking forward to a standard gauge Swiss route that makes it so disappointing though: there is so much potential in this country, but what are we gonna get? You go one way on an S-Bahn service stopping everywhere, you go the opposite direction as an RE skipping half the stops, and then what? Where's the replay value? It would take just slightly more - and two trains is a fairly common standard offering with TSW routes - to really bring the route to life, to create possibilities to come back
Not really. Typically they come with one new train, and one or two rehashes (Riesa-Dresden, not even that), and then DTG is a rather bigger studio than little Rivet. Come to think of it, I can't think of any route since the very earliest (SPG, GWE, WSR) that came with two all-new engines. There may be one I've overlooked, but in all the ones I can think of the second loco is at most a heavy overhaul of an older one like the Clinchfield SD-40.
This is potentially a very attractive route for me. The length is actually a plus, because I rarely can play for more than an hour at a time and I'll be able to drive there and back in that time frame. Of course a lot will depend on the quality of the track, scenery and rolling stock. As I've said elsewhere, I'll be interested to see how they handle one of the really beautiful parts of Switzerland, especially the old, historic city of Lucerne.
I've also got a bit mixed feelings about it so far. As others have already said, the length is a bit worrying. It's not a problem for a route like Arosalinie or Isle of Wight, but I really dislike short sections of actually longer routes. It just feels like an incomplete route. The Flirts also really aren't my thing, I would've much more preferred something more unique, not something that we can see in literally every european country. But at least it's something new and I'm curious a bit just because it's a familiar stock as Flirts run in my country as well. Other than that, the screenshots look good. I really like the accurately modelled overhead wire equipment, nice to see that Rivet keeps pushing for details like this. The buildings in the backgrounds do look a bit weak though, looks like Rivet is still keeping their repeating-tilr texturing methods. That's a bit annoying, as it results in less realistic texturing and everything looking too clean. But I will be looking forward to the release of the route. Even if it's not entirely my thing, I hope it ends up being good and selling well. We need more good routes outside of the big three. And even if it's just one train now, I'm very hoping it will have more train add-ons in the future.
My suggestion would be the Re 420 in red with Eurofima coaches. This would give you: 1. The long distance services on the route, probably doubling the passenger service count 2. The option for freight using the DB freight wagons 3. Potential for shunting in scenarios 4. A loco that could be used in any future Swiss standard gauge route, in any era 5. An absolute icon of Swiss rail 6. A loco that has hundreds in its class 7. A loco that has potential for variants - the green livery, the modern red livery, the Re 421 in Cargo livery which can go into Germany 8. A set of coaches that could be used in any other Swiss standard gauge route 9. A set of coaches that are similar to the DB Intercity coaches in terms of body shell and performance 10. A set of coaches that could layer into HRR and future German routes 11. A loco that would be useful for the AI trains at Luzern heading off in different directions 12. A loco that would provide an interesting driving experience (it uses a tap changer) 13. A loco that can be seen as AI at Chur
Tees Valley (Class 37 and Class 08) is the only other one I can think of. Pretty sure Liverpool - Crewe will be the first since.
You've been saying this a lot, but I just cannot believe you. The jump happens when starting from a standstill. Every single time, in timetable mode. Please post a video of you NOT having the issue or stop trolling.
A lot of the rehashes are much more than re-use or new liveries though - the ICEs are much more different than they appear for example, and I believe the Talent was redone. Another advantage of the Re 4/4 II is that it has similarities with the Ge 4/4 II (a lot of differences too, I appreciate) and the coaches would be similar to IC. I think it's about laying the groundwork: it would be better for Rivet to provide two new trains with this route, and the exact same ones with a second SBB route, which would maintain their average if scale is an issue. That would mean waiting longer but it's worth it.
Compared to before the patch i can enjoy arosa now. Its jumping a bit yes, but nothing like to its broken state before.
I'm with you there. No matter the route or loco, a new country always falls short of content compared to the big three. And if I were a new 3rd party and read those comments, I'd too create only G/UK/US content after that.
I agree, I knew there would be some backlash about the lenght, but I wasn't expecting so much negativity, particularly because I always assumed the first release of "a new county" would suffer because the added complexity of having to build new stuff. Also as I've said due to the nature of the train it's impossible that they make it as bad as the Class 150. It's an easy and straightforward modern EMU, they could copy/paste the BR425 physics and it wouldn't be good, but it wouldn't as awful as the 150.
Not really, because DTG does G/UK/US and they have a bigger team and more resources. So, it will be difficult to compete with DTG in those areas. IMHO what Rivet needs to do is not just build routes and locos independently, but make a long term plan of what they want to release in lets say the next 9 months / 1 year so they choose routes and locos that are compatible / usable between them. If after 1 year they have 3 routes and maybe 3-4 locos / trains that can run on all of them they will begin to have the kind of ecosystem that DTG currently has. That should be their long term goal.
I get the feeling there are going to be some disappointed people if it turns out that Rivet do a good job and create a nice product, which I suspect they will! I am looking forward to it, my only reservations are, that the route is a little short and if indeed there is only one train so not much variety. But it will be something different, although I can't see what the excitement is with these Flirt things!
Just thought - doesn't someone in Germany operate these exact trains (I know flirts operate in DE, but different models)? If so, could be useful in future German routes where appropriate.
I would be delighted to see a great representation of this route - I've not had any problems with rivet routes at all
The first generation FLIRT can be seen used by DB in the Rostock area, by Eurobahn and Westfalenbahn in the Northwest, and by SBB over the border at Basel and Konstanz.
So Pen Corr is off the table, and NEC too, I just looked it up; the SW1000R was a DLC. Somehow my memory put it into it being a release with the route. How much would I love DTG to bring back the SW1000R and add it to some routes....! That's a thing I thought about too, and not just Rivet, but DTG in general. I personally hope that the idea of "themes" like Rush Hour continues, among 3rd party aswell, maybe bundled with focus on a specific country, as you suggest. Tho, if Rivet routes would be better quality wise, I'd not be complaining about them. Them focusing on these slower, quieter and more scenic routes is definitely a bonus to the DTG catalogue we usually get, in my opinion.
Who would be disappointed if they do a good job. I'm sure everyone wants rivet to do well including myself but time and time again they have consistently missed the mark and it takes months to resolve issues if they will at all hence why many people in the community are so skeptical of rivet in the first place. DTG even knows that the community are skeptical.
I would be very happy if the route was flawless, my only real complaint at this stage is the rumoured length, which, if it is really only 25km, is taking the mick, I’m sorry.
I kind of agree with you. There are far too many Emu's in the game already and the differences are mainly external. They are rather boring to drive. However, if the route is well made and the scenery is interesting, I guess I'll overlook that aspect, as I will with the Harlem line, no doubt. This is what happened with BML; I don't like the two trains but the route is very well modeled.
Sorry, but how in the hell are you managing to start the Ge 4/4 II without it jumping? Because even if you apply throttle first then release the brakes, it doesn't work. Even 1% brake holds the train in place, so no matter how careful you are, the brakes reach 0% and the loco jumps. It's not about "instant gratification", the Ge 4/4 physics is simply bad even after the update. Yeah, that's really what they should do. After the release of this route, they could start by making a train add-on for it to increase traffic and variety. Then they could do another Swiss route, either a RhB one or a standard gauge one like this. In both cases they could use rolling stock from these previous routes to make their work easier and better.
Same for you. Video or stop trolling. Rivet used a BS excuse like this to try and pass of the abismal brakes as realistic, I can see they are recruiting gullible people now.
It's not possible. Period. Don't know why there are people on this forum telling things that are completely false.
I think it's possible there is a misunderstanding of the problem. This (video by fabristunt): Happened to me once or twice shortly after 4.26 released. This: Instead happens every time the loco is accelerating from stand still and I believe is due to how DC motors* are simulated in TSW, or the fact that the current immediately jumps to 24A. It's not much different from the transition from series to parallel in the '72 stock or in the 313. * Spoiler: RANT/Clarification So, apparently the GE 4/4 II is powered by "mixed current traction motors" a.k.a. ripple current traction motors a.k.a. wavy current traction motors. So far I managed to understand that those work with the current being fed from a transformer (like the old german AC locos such as the BR155 and 143), but the current is then passed through a tyrhistors which converts the current into (machine translated from german): "non sinusoidal voltage (DC/Ripple current) - I have no idea if that causes the motors to "struggle" at low speed like a normal brushed DC motor or not, but it seems like Rivet modeled it like a normal DC motor If it's not clear those are guesses not facts.
Don't believe it- that is your prerogative - just stating what I experience the way I drive - loco brake set - apply power - release brake - works for me
So, I have a question about safety systems on the Flirt. Will it also be equipped with ZUB? The Flirt driving on this line with ETCS is wrong: The Flirt is equipped with ETCS to be able to run for example on the Gotthard, where the line is equipped with ETCS L2. The line Luzern-Sursee is only equipped with ETCS L1LS, which requires Baseline 3 on the train ETCS, which the Flirt does not have. Hence it is impossible for the Flirt to run on ETCS on this line. Can you please look into this?
Wikipedia states that the Luzern-(Sursee)-Olten line is equipped with ETCS L2, so hopefully that's not an issue
