Train Sim World 2- The Start Of A New Journey

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  1. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Ten bucks? Sold.
     
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  2. Challenger3985

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    Technically, $14 in US. But still, not a bad deal for this expansion pack, gonna be a Day 1 for sure.
    (since after hearing the numbers on the SD40 will get fix, hopefully very soon)
     
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  3. antwerpcentral

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    You had me already with the first railfan on Bakerloo. I'm sold on this expansion pack. I support the idea of updating older routes like this. I think this pack makes sense. I also understand people that don't like this pack. They are probably right in their reasoning why it's not worth it but I guess the pack is geared to a broader audience than purists.
     
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  4. dhekelian

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    For all three routes or just one?
     
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    More of this kind for the price \o/
     
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  6. breblimator

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    For the pack.
    Enhancements for all three base routes included.
     
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  7. PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix

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    After watching the steam I am still going to stick with my answer, I don't think it's worth it, there is still very little traffic in the route, and updates, probably wait until it goes sale. Looking forward to the Harlem Line, that's what i am going to get on day 1
     
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  8. Bertil Persson

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    Hello!
    Will the DB BR 101 be playable on Köln - Aachen route?
     
  9. pipanminuta#9703

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    Yes but sadly not on gen 8
     
  10. dhekelian

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    What if you only want one from the pack? Would you have to delete the other two?
     
  11. Bertil Persson

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    Oh dear. I feel with you. It’s a pity the older consoles don’t hang on. But I’m glad you told me anyway. I wonder how far I will get with my old PC. So far it works but will it handle the steam route? Hoping and praying.
     
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  12. Crosstie

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    I'll be picking this up next Thursday, mainly for the Sand Patch content, though I'll take a turn on the early AM S19 service to see what's new. I really don't see what they can do to make me open up Bakerloo again, except perhaps to add more surface trackage and that is not coming, of course.
     
  13. solicitr

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    Not sure. Earlier 'gameplay packs' like HFP and DLGW exist as their own .pak files with locos and services; but if this one actually reworks the SKA timetable, it may replace the whole route.
     
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    "Joe filled it up with awesome." - Matt, talking about the new SKA timetable.

    A complete day 1 purchase for me. I am also looking forward to the new scenarios and would welcome future enhanced game play packs. I am looking forward to Thursday!
     
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    Sadly. So true. Especially because SKA would be the first route where you can use LZB at the 101 at timetable mode.
     
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    Does this come with new achievements
     
  17. kekanha#4892

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    We already have the transmission, and those who do not speak English, are they second class customers? Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, in the United States they are 43%, they deserve respect. Portuguese is the only language spoken on the 5 continents, it doesn't deserve respect either. Not everyone speaks English, so they should answer certain written questions that way, at least we would use the google translator. It seems unfair to me that they have first and second class clients. or we have to learn English to be able to play TSW2. because in the stores the prices come in euros, not in pounds. It will be that they know how to make changes, they can also help others (not English speakers) to understand the game. Thank you.
     
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  18. kekanha#4892

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    Totalmente de acuerdo, pero el precio debe estar de acuerdo con el trabajo realizado. una ruta completa como londres-vitória, o un arenal no puede valer lo mismo que dos libreas y algunos tramos de ruta. ninguna locomotora es nueva. Estoy de acuerdo en que nadie es libre, pero todo tiene un término medio. ¿¿¿O no???
     
  19. breblimator

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    You can use google translate too.
    I don't know English.
    Spanish? You mean Mandarin?
    https://www.berlitz.com/en-uy/blog/most-spoken-languages-world
     
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  20. erg73

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    In my opinion it's a good price, I'll buy it on the first day without any doubt. I'm looking forward to enjoy the new timetable built by Joe in Köln.

    One thing I found curious, in the first preview they did at the Festival of Rail, when Matt was leaving Koln he came across a BR 101 at 16:40:
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    Instead today we saw that the only playable service with this train leaves Aachen at 20:54:
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    Does this mean that there is an AI service with BR101?
     
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  21. CowBoyWolf

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    yup
     
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    For that price it’s definitely a purchase for me. I like playing scenarios the most, so it works out at £1 each. I like the new liveries and extra services as well so pretty good value for me. To be honest I was sold at having a long service for the DB BR 101. The rest is all a bonus.

    Last nights stream even encouraged me to give Sand Patch another look.
     
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  23. breblimator

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    Is the BR 101 service driveable or AI only?
     
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    There is one drivable service. I was a bit sleepy during the stream, but I think it was quite a long one.
     
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    Oh, so there is 101 reasons for buy already.
     
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    And there are non-drivable 101 services as well, at least in Köln. The drivable one starts at 20:54 in the evening, and Matt pointed out an arriving 101 in Köln Hbf when he got there at about 8:50 in the morning game-time. A bit like ICs and ICEs in Dresden Hbf on Tharandter Rampe.
     
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  27. erg73

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    There is a confirmed manageable service. But it also appears that there are other AI services.
    And who knows, maybe not only with br 101. Joe never ceases to surprise us!
     
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  28. CowBoyWolf

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    The 101 service is an 52 min journey
     
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    Sounds like it might be worth a punt at that price, keep things ticking over until Spirit Of Steam.
     
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    I am also going to buy it, I have no doubts about that, but I am also aware of the value that money has for me. I would buy it even if it cost 1,000 euros, because I can and I'm a fan, but there are fans just like me who for them have more value, they need it for other things like diapers for their children. I have enough, but many do not, and I am aware of that, and I believe that the value is not fair, because for certain people €5 corresponds to extra savings.
     
  32. solicitr

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    Again, DTG chiseling American customers. Their USD prices are always a tick or two above the exchange-rate pound and euro prices- so for some reason we are being charged $14 for what Brits are getting for the equivalent of $12.25.

    Maybe it's the transatlantic shipping rates?
     
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    so true, why do we have to pay that amount while they don't. I agree with you.
     
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    The same reason us brits pay £449 for a PS5 while you pay $499, roughly equivalent to £380. Or why Apple charges $1299 for their MacBook Pro 13 in the US but £1299 in the UK.
     
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    Apple products have to be physically shipped across the ocean. Digital downloads, not so much.

    (Also, those UK prices include VAT, whereas the US prices don't include sales tax).
     
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  36. bakedpotatos.jm

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    Even the Canadian exchange is a tick high too. Sorry but our dollar is still worth more than $0.52 to the USD dollar. Watch this will price a $22.99 in Canada.
     
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  37. james64

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    I can't really muster up any enthusiasm for this personally, of the three routes getting expanded I only care for Bakerloo line, and the content getting added seems so barebones. It's the bare minimum for an add on I think. I'd maybe care a bit more if they went to the effort of creating a new interior, but all we get is a livery which I'm sure many talented livery designer creators could whip up in a matter of minutes, heck even I've made more complicated liveries. Oh and a few scenarios, which I guess is neat.

    When you're only interested in one of the routes like I am, £9 is far too steep for what you're getting in my opinion.
     
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  38. Michael Newbury

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    Agreed it's sad we have to pay more things on Steam for products like TS and TSW.
     
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    Well, I believe the UK price for a route dlc is usually £24.99 which would be just short of $34.00. Last time I bought a route it was $29.99, so, correct me if I'm wrong but I think I got a favorable rate there.
     
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    SUggestion for the next one of these: a reskinned 387 Heathrow Express layer for GWE
     
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  41. dhekelian

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    Must say I was surprised at this. As a Brit I find it is usually us that gets shafted but you should try and get an answer from Matt.

    As for the pack, I too am only interested in Bakerloo but as has been said not enough in there for £9 imo.
     
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    I asked this question in the week, well trophies anyway. Looked at the version info which is on the PS4 version. It’s up to 1.68
    1.66 states support for this DLC and nothing added to the list.

    Xbox achievements may still be on the cards so who knows. PlayStation running out of room in the trophy cabinet :D (I joke :( is my reaction as there is new DLC that has nothing, I wait the result of the Texas hold ‘em game DTG and Sony are playing to decide if more can be added in the future)
     
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    Personally I’m only interested in the SKA enhancements and I’m more than happy to pay £8.99.

    My only feedback would be that (A) Considering this route is supposed to enhance the core routes, it only seems to provide an in-depth focus on SKA, (B) if a new player buys the base game, then is seeing an ‘enhancement pack’ for another £9 it’s probably going to put them off more than anything. (C) If this type of product line is to take off, I think that they should focus on one route, enrich the timetable, rolling stock, scenarios & route itself as much as possible, as opposed to tackling 3, because it sort of seems like Bakerloo & SPG are getting a really bad deal in this pack.

    Im happy to support stuff like this initially, as I think these packs do have a place, however more in-depth focus on routes needs to take place.

    Personally I would like to see a pack designed for HMA, I truly think that could stand along side Riesa - Dresden if it is given some love.
     
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    Don't think so, only routes will get them now, "thank" Sony I guess: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/train-sim-world-2-achievements-and-trophies.47842/

     
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    I'll probably buy it in a sale sometime down the line on PC but I am considering buying it on Xbox to give me some extra variety on the core routes while I can't play on PC.
     
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    After watching the preview stream in full and having a long think about it, $14 before sales tax frankly is too much for what little value is in this pack and therefore I will not be buying this pack.

    Personally SKA was part of the pack that peeked my interest even if it was just a reskined 423 with extra services. For $14 dollars though it only feels like SKA was the route that got enhanced since that got extra services. BKL and SPG just got new liveries that don't interest me and that someone could've made in livery designer. So for $14 dollars for reskins for two routes and additional services for one route, it isn't worth it at that price point in my opinion. Had it been $7-$10 I probably would've gotten it but at $14 it's just too much for too little

    Considering that the base game costs $29.99 and the pack is $13.99 for a new player, for a new player that would cost them $43.98 in total. At that price point with what little the pack gives you for the other two routes, that might be a turn off for new players and frankly they would be better off buying a route dlc instead

    If things like this are gonna take off, it's better in my opinion to have a pack for a individual route instead of three because again one route gets additional services and the others get new liveries. Makes it seem like your getting a bad deal with the other two. Frankly an option to buy one of the enhancements separately would've been better in my opinion.

    I do feel like this whole pack though was a cheap way for DTG to earn some extra cash. But it's too expensive for what little you get in total and unfortunately there wasn't an in depth focus on all the routes in total adding less value to the pack. I get what DTG are trying to do but there needs to be a more in depth focus instead of adding reskins to trains and scenarios with people taking pictures of your train as that adds little value. This wasn't well thought out.

    If this were to go on sale, I may reconsider buying it. But considering that Xbox sales are non-existent, I'll just wait for the Harlem Line instead.
     
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    Definite day 1 purchase for all the extra services…. Oh, wait, I have a PS5 so will be deleting services to add service….. ho well, will be buying some other time, hopefully in 2022….
     
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    I'll probably get it for the updated SKA timetable, but it's really disappointing that there's no new services, or increased train lengths for Sandpatch. Kinda hard going back after the long trains on Sherman Hill.
     
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    The reason for the 101 to be missing on Gen 8 consoles on SKA is a simple one: memory. When a train has unique coaches it takes up more memory than when a train reuses coaches. The ICE has 7 unique coaches, whereas the 313 has 2 unique coaches, therefore the only way the ICE and 101 will layer on Gen 8 is if the memory useage can be reduced or there are sufficient optimisations to the game that allow them to be added. Matt and the team are trying really hard to get it working, but patience is needed on our side as the priority is getting the game running properly. Microsoft and Sony require this to be on their platform.

    The 101 runs with LZB on HRR …
     
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    Yeah, I'm only interested in Sand Patch on this pack, but a nice reskin and some scenarios isn't enough to sell it on top of all the stuff I'm not interested in. Maybe I should try dabbling in the livery editor to make that old CSX livery? Oh well, roll on Harlem Line!
     
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