München – Augsburg | Evolve

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by breblimator, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. breblimator

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    Purely speculative.
    Wishful thinking.

    HMA RushHour'ish style in some reasonable future?

    Boston, London (Commuter) with heavy AI (scenery) traffic vs I played HMA minute ago...

    Ghost town, in comparison :)
    With great potential!

    Joe? :D
     
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  2. Tom Fresco

    Tom Fresco Well-Known Member

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    Oh those poor last gen consoles.... :D
    Munic really needs way more driving and static AI Trains, there is so much potential and use for any german train, 101, 612, more REs, 425, triple S Bahn trains, shunting with a 363 as station pilot for IC/EC Services.......
    I dont think if any playable services would need to be added, maybe the new ones between Hbf and Pasing, but on the line to Augsburg there should already be everything there is irl, but not in munic, where plenty of lines join together. As you said it would be like If boston had only the Providence / Stoughton trains.

    You could do so much and have impressive results, but i already see some systems just breaking down, on the other hand munic desperately needs AI, i'd say it needs more AI, but there are no AI only services. (Except the few double ICEs)
     
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  3. robert_LH

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    Yes please, kindly add more AI traffic

    Although HMA has 400 services, it really seems lifeless in comparison to reality.
    Especially at the Munich end.
     
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  4. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    In the future this can be affected by ÖBB routes that have Railjet and Nightjet services. Example is the 20:43 München Hbf Augsburg 21:13 RJX 66 Budapest to Frankfurt Am Main followed by 22:50 Munchen Hbf to Augsburg Hbf 23:23 EN424/425 Innsbruck Hbf Munchen Hbf to Brussels Midi via Main Spessart Bahn Aschaffenburg Lohr & SKA where this train becomes the 07:30 Koln 08:15 Aachen Hbf Trip. Amsterdam CS section of that train is the 07:47 Duisburg 09:58 Amsterdam CS AI HRR
    DB BR363 HMA only PC PS5 & Xbox Series X

     
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  5. Trenomarcus

    Trenomarcus Well-Known Member

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    HMA has great potential for expansion and fixing. Unfortunately has been abandoned completely. Considering that is the most selling route ever, that's understandable.
     
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  6. meridian#2659

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    Looks like we might have a new suggestion for the next expansion pack. Day one purchais for me
     
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  7. JBViper

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    I fully agree with you.

    There is the BR 420 (by TSG) coming, that will add a bit of service I guess...
     
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  8. doublefine7

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    No, the 420 wont add new services. AFAIK it will be a separate timetable with the 420 replacing the 423.
     
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  9. JBViper

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    Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know. So I missed it :(
     
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    To be fair, this info is fairly old so it might have changed, but only TSG-Maik can answer that. This is just the last info I had about this, so I personally wont expect anything more.
     
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  11. Lamplight

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    The 420 is a 3-car unit, the 423 is a 4-car unit. This means that one can’t substitute for the other with the current substitution system. Thus, an alternate timetable with all S-Bahn services being run by the 420s is the most likely solution.
     
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    Doing to HMA what's been done to SKA now, would be amazing. Hopefully the concept with SKA will prove successful for it to get more iteration of... "Joeyfying" the timetables (where appropriate, can't see BML level traffic on Clinchfield)
     
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  13. Joethefish

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    Yeah, this would be fun to do. I often catch myself daydreaming about the potential of a timetable on this route. :D

    There are a few things that cause me to hesitate, though. One being I have a couple of personal projects going on so no time for this ATM. Those projects may never may never be released, but they still take my time up lol. Nothing to be excited for.

    The main reason, though is that this is the first route where console players didn't get all layers. Now, I'm not blaming them for this and though I don't want older consoles to hold back more powerful machines, I can see it being a bit of an insult to them if a new timetable were made with even more traffic when they can't get the full extent of the current timetable.

    Would be fun, though. :)
     
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  14. carter

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    You know that whenever you work on a route it’s usually one of the routes I like because I’m a person who loves timetables.
     
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  15. carter

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    Also the 420 didn’t run when the route takes place so I think the timetable will be a past timetable, and I don’t remember if this was correct but I think on the roadmap it’s labeled as taking place from the 1950s to the 1990s.
     
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  16. Lamplight

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    Nope, they did (do). The 420s have been in service at Munich in their modernised form since 2014. The roadmap code is likely referring to the original build dates.
     
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  17. solicitr

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    The thing is, it would be just about impossible to do the RL München Hbf traffic, because there are so many trains that DTG don't model and operators they don't have licenses for.
     
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  18. xxMVG_Fan8xx

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    The BR 420 being developed by TSG is a 420 with a more recent modernisation - the equipment with LZB and improved PIS boards in and outside the train.
     
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  19. xxMVG_Fan8xx

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    Suprisingly, since December 2021, 420s run on the Line S3 between Deisenhofen and Maisach on Weekdays and sometimes even on the main S3 runs between Holzkirchen and Mammendorf. So in the current timetable, it would make sense to have them run services on the S3 as well
     
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  20. Cash

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    In my opinion, the HMA s-bahn timetable is great, it’s just the other types of services are are suffering in density.
     
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  21. al.

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    HMA could benefit greatly of another ICE type (thinking ICE 1 or 4) + IC layers, heck there could even be some TGV layers… Some static trains around munich hbf, pasing and augsburg would also be highly appreciated.
     
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  22. xxMVG_Fan8xx

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    Yea maybe even static freight trains in Pasing!
     
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  23. driverwoods#1787

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    Correct but cab cars are missing on the Intercity services therefore you are going to have a hard time turning them around at München Hbf. TGV Duplex are the Paris Est Augsburg München Hbf. Around 0:10 05:10 (EN468/469) 06:28-07:28 22:50 23:23 (EN490 Hans Albers Innsbruck Hamburg EN424/425 420/421 Aachen Hbf Köln Duisburg Oberhausen-Arnhem Utrecht Amsterdam) 08:40 20:40 09:10 21:10 DB BR182 reskined versions ÖBB1116 ÖBB1016 run Railjet and Nightjet services on HMA. I was told by a French YouTuber that the Taurus Nightjet combination can't run Hauptstrecke München-Augsburg max speed of 230 kmh 145 mph due to the Nightjet coach max speed being (200 kmh 125 mph) without autoracks Hccrrs Laaers 560s Sekqrs Ddm915s this will drop Nightjet speeds to 100 kmh 60 mph or 120 kmh 75 mph. On the other hand Railjet can max out here. Provided they are on the 9th generation console PC future ÖBB route with HMA.
     
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    On the evenings HMA is dominated by Freight trains Deutsche Bahn ICE and Night Intercity services. Sleeper trains are operated by ÖBB on the route. Sadly you cannot even use ÖBB layers on HMA when using 8th generation consoles due to their Hardware being incapable of handling the volume. 9th generation consoles use PC timetable
     

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