British Livery Question: The 101

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  1. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Simply this: on the Tees Valley line, in 1989, would 101s have been wearing Regional Rail livery?
     
  2. JealousSheep768

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    Most likely yes, a couple may be partially painted or still blue but most were in regional railways by this point.
     
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    Were any of them still in all-blue by '89?
     
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    I mean, a few locos escaped the paint shed and blue until the mid-70s - I think some 40s were scrapped still wearing green.
     
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    Think in the case of the 40s that is more keeping them in green on purpose as a specials loco rather than escaping a paint brush. 40122 and 40106 were both kept in Green on purpose, infact 40122 was repainted into green by BR! The only other two which I think escaped getting painted Blue were D332 which was withdrawn in 1967 due to accident damage and then 40039 which was withdrawn in 1976 which isn't too far into the Blue period, had it survived longer it probably would have been painted Blue like its siblings.
     
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    No. All blue 101s would have gone by the early 80s.
     
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    There was a white with blue stripe interim livery applied to (not all) 101s too. Some went from full blue to white in the later 70s, When the white idea was scrapped what were left of the blue sets went straight to blue/grey. But yea by the mid 80s there were almost no 101s in full blue, and certainly none left by the late 80s.
     
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    Sometimes, they didn't even paint full sets, or at least mis-matched cars.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/66289212@N07/10384253975/

    Well, suppose it's not too dissimilar to HSTs
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/kpmarek/2074634550
     
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    True, thinking of the hotchpot of sets coming out of Tyseley held together with tar and tape. Back before the shiny150s arrived, so prior to 1987
     
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    Personally I loved the all blue livery, I know Matt doesn't. He said on stream something like ' I don't think there is anybody who likes the full BR Blue livery' Sorry Matt I do and I hope some others.
     
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    I do!

    It kind of distinguished the local trains from long distance/Inter City, which is why sets like the 119's, 120's etc. were painted blue and grey, though I think the Inverness to Aberdeen 120's were all blue.
     
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    Bit miffed really when Matt said that, I wonder if that was the reason why the 101 in the Diesel Legends pack was in Blue/Grey and not the Blue Cause Matt didn't like it? Seems funny he has no problem with the Red German Trains :|

    I remember the blue 121, wish it was in game.
     
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    The 101's in Great Western Diesel Legends were in blue/grey because their research had showed some in the 1970's in blue/grey. These were the five or so sets sent to the WR to run alongside the Cross Country class 119/120 sets and were therefore painted blue/grey for a short while to match the livery of the other cross country sets, i.e. they certainly wouldn't have been running local services between Reading and Paddington. From my research they were actually repainted back to blue before being repainted again on refurbishment. However any local DMU's at the time the add-on is set would have been BR blue and the blue/grey 101's would not have made it as far as Reading as they were used in the south west. I think they just did enough research so that they didn't have to reskin them into blue. I notice a lot of the set numbers featured in screen shots I have seen or on streams are the set numbers given to the batch allocated to Reading in the late 1980's.

    Blue/Grey is correct for 1989 on the TVL, the first Regional Railways repaints were 1991 I think and by then first generation DMU's had gone from the north east.

    A class 143 in provincial livery would be ideal as some DLC for the Tees Valley.
     
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    There were a few 101's based at Reading in the late 80's, mainly to supplement the dwindling 119's on the Gatwick and (then) Tonbridge services. When I came to learn the NSE Desk as part of being on the "relief" after entering the Control in 1989, I was taught other than in exceptional circumstances you try and keep the 101's and 119's on the North Downs and 117's on the Paddington/Oxford etc. services. Of course the occasional North Downs unit did escape to Paddington and more frequently a 117 towards Redhill as they tended to be more reliable but the other way round a 101 would lose time to Paddington due to the lack of passenger doors compared to the suburban units.
     
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    How is the real-life West Somerset's 101 painted?
     
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    Both green.
     

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