Rainbow Container On Horseshoe

They may as well just put Black Lives matter logos or All lives matter. Perhaps religious logos should also be put in the game since they are ok with putting pride symbols in the game.

 

I don’t care what colour the containers are but I wish they would explain or fix the super light intermodal trains

 

Similarly lumping everyone in or out of scope of liking this symbology is no different is it?

 

Again , a close family member is transitioning and I have been supporting them through that. I don't have any objection for the symbol. I simply question

why is this agenda being pushed in game
Why aren't others being pushed
Who decided it

I would ask the same questions if religious symbols or others were used. If this was a bogey the wrong way round people wouldn't be questioned let's be honest

 

I wonder how long it would take for a 'Get Brexit Done' or 'Trump 2020' reskin to be taken down from the Creator's Club? Y'know, since we're talking about DTG and politics.

 

Andy, you're misconstruing the use of the word agenda. I am not suggesting equal rights are not important so please don't twist this. I am simply asking what makes something be chosen over another.

I in no way feel any person is better than another regardless of any protected characteristics. Every person, you included , have equal status to be individual

 

...aaaand he completes the predictable argument. "I am SO very right, so ineffably Correct, that anyone who disagrees with my opinion - no, Fact - is necessarily a villain or a dullard, or both."

 

I am not lumping anyone in with anyone. That's the basis of choice which I am all for.
No doubt someone will now come back with "Well I didn't choose to have this in game"...

 

I think you may have misinterpreted the word agenda.

 

And this is why game studios shouldn't include controversies.

 

DTG JD sorry for ping but might want to lock this thread before it turns even more

 

And why should this thread be locked exactly?

 

Some people would find brexit done or Trump 2020 logos inclusive so it would be odd for dtg to take down those symbols since they are inclusive for some...right?

 

Oh my god, a rainbow coulored container, let's write long threads about it So, what is the next mystery german route?

 

To be fair, the door was left wide open

 

Train sim woke simulator.

There's absolutely no need for this in a train game. It has nothing to do with transphobia, it's just not relevant.

 

Really nice to see little things like this in the game. As a queer person living in a country where the community is forced into shadow, it's a great comfort to see products made in other countries where that sort of thing is normalised and open. Sometimes you come home from having heard someone driving round calling all homosexuals paedophiles through a loud hailer, load up a train sim to relax, and it makes things better for a bit. Having representation in that sim? Just amazing!

It's no secret that the train fan community is very queer too, so with the huge crossover it's no surprise to see rainbow and trans rights flags around. Maybe someone could write "straight white men are welcome too" on a container to avoid hurting feelings though, we need to remember the more sensitive community members

 

These symbols aren't really relevant in a train simulator though unless it's there in reality. We don't need to put symbols or political statements in a game to make someone feel welcome especially since your not playing with other people. People who play this game should feel welcomed regardless of how they identify. Adding these symbols that aren't there in real life is just unnecessary and frankly should just be option to have it on or off. That shouldn't be difficult to have as a option if it makes people feel comfortable to have them or make them happy, then a player can have it on. If a person doesn't want to see it, then they can have it off. I do understand why a person would like to see video games show support which isn't a bad thing of course but once a company makes a position clear, I don't think a company needs to bombard all players with the same symbols again and again hence why I think it would be good to have an option to have something like that optional unless it is there in reality.

 

Ok, you're annoyed at rainbows and that's valid, but it's one container which you wouldn't have noticed without this thread, not a "bombardment". There's nothing political about a rainbow flag, as has been explained to you upstream, certainly no more so than an American flag on a train! I already addressed the relevance part, and as for removing content like this? I rather think Dovetail banning LGBT symbols would be a decidedly more political stance than ignoring or allowing them, don't you? It's a little, hardly noticeable thing that makes people happy, live and let live!

 

At least the US flag on the train is actually correct, since that is Union Pacific's current image.

Outside of the few Maersk containers that exist. None are painted with any flags on it.

As I have stated earlier in this thread, DTG should of done it differently, either as a scenery object on a route (Which would make sense, as this does happen IRL) Or focus on getting actual real life liveries in game (Like UP1979, Or maybe try and get a license from Maersk.).

 

It doesn't have either of those currently though, and Maersk seem not to want to licence their brand, but in the meantime it does have a rainbow trailer. I don't think there are actually adverts for LONDON: The Musical on the Bakerloo Line, funny how that lack of realism was less of a concern, isn't it? Anyway, it is probably here to stay, unlike this thread, so it would probably be worth making your peace with it and whatever reasons make you dislike its presence. What a pity that a thread opening with someone just happy to see a nice thing turned into a bunch of people who swear they don't have any problem with gay people, and even know one, but are nevertheless irrationally angry at rainbows. Sad.

 

First of all, I don't think dovetail should remove the content. I've said that it would be better to give players the option to have it on or off if it 's not on the train in real life. There is nothing wrong with giving players the option. Secondly the trains that have a U.S flag like the M7A or a Union Pacific train is fine because they are there in real life. I have said that if it exists in reality, then I have no problem with it. If it's not there, give players the option to turn it on or off. That shouldn't be difficult to do. It is simply a political statement and it may suck to hear that and frankly it shouldn't be political but that is unfortunately how it is in the U.S at the very least. You may disagree and that is fine. Not everyone wants to play video games to be reminded by political issues or problems that are happening in the real world. I am not triggered or angry at all but I just think that video games should steer clear of these topics because it is just not necessary especially for a game in which you drive a train. A person should feel included regardless of who they are. I am a person of color and I don't need to see blm flags to feel included or welcomed. These symbols are just not necessary if they aren't there in reality.

 

Last point from me because this is going in circles. Just imagine you're the copywriter tasked with writing that menu choice. What do you write? "LGBT content ON/OFF"? That would be some incredible PR, huh?

Love to those of you who saw this in-game content and felt a bit happier!

 

I have issues with all of that.

Cane Creek
-The issues with the AC44, included the incorrect side sill.
-The exclusion of the correct uranium tailing cars.
-The fact that very little of the mainline was represented.
-The greenish paint on the UP ribbed hopper.
-The CSXT EOTD

Clinchfield
-Lack of alt paints for the SD40 and the F7
-The spawning of the CRR SD40 onto SPG

SMH
-The weird stacking of shorter 40ft containers on top of 53ft containers (Which is very rare)
-The lack of UP branded hoppers for the grain trains.
-The lack of proper UP train symbols in timetable mode.

SPG
-Too much foreign power.

CSX SD40
-Honestly should of been given YN2 or YN3 paint.
-Incorrect font and run numbers

HSC
-The outdated TOFC flat cars with euro trailers

All routes
-European style trailers as scenery objects.

SO YES, I HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH OTHER ROUTES IN TERMS OF REALISTIC REPRESENTATION.

 

Well I wasn't a fan of the expansion pack. I thought it was a cash grab and I didn't buy it. It had many unrealistic aspects such as the incorrect livery for the sd40, and a reskin of the muchen 423. Nor did I buy Cane Creek or WCL nor do I plan on doing so at all.

 

Two words: Creators Club

Allow me to be more specific. With your logic basically it is bad pr to give players the option to subscribe/download pride liveries then? I've seen pride liveries on creators club. They do look nice but I don't have to download them. The compromise that I have offered is very similar. It's like having the option to choose the liveries that you want on your train. You can pick this livery, or not pick this livery. I may want my train in a certain way, but another player may want to have it look in a different way. Having options is a good thing, not a bad thing. It's a win/win for everybody

 

Sorry, I'm not digging thru my thousands of posts to do that. Especially without an access to a PC ATM.

 

No not really. That's why we have creators club and livery designer to customize the train how you want it to be...

Heck it would be cool though if we could customize the looks of passengers and potentially add different models

 

Would be nice if TSW2 ever got Livery Editor for the containers, would be the easiest fix for this mess of a thread....

 

I bet that's something dtg will or could add for livery designer 2.0. It would be a missed opportunity if they didn't add that feature. Players will be able do fully design their containers the way they want and potentially share them in creators club if they so wish

 

I have no issue with this, some of my best friends are shipping containers.

 

Well it’s a work day in the UK now, time for this to be locked and hidden away in 3….2…..

 

Who exactly is triggered? Seems it's you.

 

tallboy7648 look at all the pages of this thread and you might guess why

 

Legend

They're certainly inclusive for a lot of people, but because 'orange man bad' and 'party man evil' I suspect they'll be taken down.

Welcome to Mismanagement Incorporated everybody.

 

Good morning DTG JD DTG Protagonist

Hope you both had a good bank holiday weekend, sorry about the mess...

(Sorry for tagging)

 

Already have pinged JD but no response

 

Ultimately we fire up TSW to play trains, not to have external agendas pushed down our throats - whether it's LGBT, BLM. Greta, Greenpeace or anything else.

If such containers exist in real life, then fair enough include them if you must. Otherwise, no.

By the same token, even though I don't smoke and only drink beer, to be accurate I would expect Spirit Of Steam to include billboard advertising for Woodbines, Players Navy Cut and Haig whisky as quite appropriate to the era if not politically correct by today's standards.

 

You're all absolutely correct.

"I think this group of people should be allowed to exist" is a highly volatile political statement that has no business being in a game. And you are correct that gay people like myself are constantly forcing our agenda (wtah?) down straight ppl's throats.

A straight couple can kiss on a TV programme, or hold hands in a theme park builder and no one bats an eyelid but suddenly when it's a gay couple doing it we're forcing our agenda down people's throats and the people who made the game/programme are making strong political statements that have no place being there.

[Removed - JD - inflammatory]

 

I have and frankly I see no reason. Welcome to the forum

 

The pride flag should not need to exist in this day and age. Fortunately, things have improved massively for LGBQT+ people in recent years, but there is still a long way to go. For that reason, the pride flag is important and it’s nice to see it represented by companies throughout the world.

 

Well a simple solution would be to give players the option like how you already do with the dynamic advertising and to an extent with creators club in which players have the option to pick what livery they want to give players the option to have these fictional liveries enabled or disabled. I honestly see no harm in that and is a good compromise. If there there in real life, that's not a problem but if it's fictional then players should be given some sort of option. I don't really think these things are necessary since people should feel included and welcome but hey I guess the times we live in call for these unnecessary measures being shoved down our throats.

Does this mean we will see religious logos, blm posters and other "inclusive" logos in the game in the future? Some people may find a trump 2020 flag inclusive. Would you take that down from creators club if it was implemented?

 

But hey there are there in reality so I have no issue. I'm an atheist too

 

Oh the typical whataboutism. What about this, what about that. Sure I wouldn't mind seeing churches taken down if that's what your asking. I think something that can even work better is to have these symbols as side scenery as someone suggested earlier because there are instances in which you would see symbols there in reality so perhaps on a flagpole in someone's house or something. Better yet stick to making real liveries and keep fictional ones optional.

 

What you said was clear whataboutism just because some people simply don't agree but ok. At least I've offered a solution that DTG can consider but hey I guess options in video games are a bad thing. So all games should have a fixed setting and players can't customize things how they want it to be...

Also not all U.S sports fans thought that kneeling during the anthem was disrespectful. I certainly didn't. In this country we have the right to protest how we want whether people agree or disagree with the reasons.

 

[removed by Protagonist - continuing an argument]

 

Clearly the most logical solution is for DTG to buy some 53' shipping containers and send them back out into the wild.