Train Sim World 2 - A Coastal Retreat

Absolutely, but speculation is definitely part of the forum (bereft, lonely unanswered speculation but still)

 

I am interested in this but, with Rivet’s record, I’ll hold off until I’ve watched at least one preview stream. To the people who mentioned the sound of the engine, is there a video other than the walk round video because this only has the sound of the engine for the final few seconds, not really enough for me to make an informed opinion? I didn’t hear the whining sound that it makes when leaving the station but that may not be audible inside the cab.

Personally, I’m not overly bothered about the livery. If they can’t use the original, they can’t use it. Not Rivet’s fault. Better in my opinion to put out a close approximation than not at all so that the people who want to buy it can and the people to who it is a deal breaker don’t have to. Hopefully, use of the real livery can be negotiated with SWR soon. After all, it is free publicity for them.

 

The diesel sound is from a bus.

 

So, from that I glean that a) people are complaining about the sound before they’ve actually heard it (which doesn’t overly surprise me) and b) the sound at the end of the walk round video when you are in the cab and the train sets off is not the engine sound i.e. the engine is silent and it’s coincidence that a bus sets off at exactly the same time and presumably the cab window is open so I can hear it clearly.

 

Have you considered factors as to why some may have missed or not watched the stream?

 

I’m sure there’s a good reason as to why they can’t get the license. I’m not complaining about that specifically, I just think they ought to have finalised the licensing before making the announcement.

 

Welp money talks in the end. They wanted money as quickly as possible hence why they announced the route and a release date because people will buy it regardless even though previous rivet dlc have been a pile of garbage that have taken a long time to receive fixes. Ironic how they say now they will fix wcl on stream when they announced this route

 

The whole “hey watch our 90 minute stream for info you won’t get anywhere else” thing, is, in a word, tiresome.

Even when I actually want to watch the streams, I struggle to finish them sometimes.

It’s one thing to have the information locked into the steam, but another for the same stream to be filled with a lot of rambling and no real consistency to agenda.

As for people telling others to watch the stream, I think the point of a forum has gone over their head.

 

Bear with me please.
Last year was one of the most stressful years I have had to cope with since losing my dad. I was doing a Twilight shift at work working from 2pm - 11pm dealing with the threat of redundancy and then eventually seeing the closing down and relocation of the business and everything else that went on in that. Then from the time I got home (usually between 2345 and 0000, later if I missed my bus) till the time I left to goto work 1340 I would be looking after my mum, being her carer. the last 2 months of my employment I working there from 0930 am - 1800pm
Basically my mum is dying and there's nothing that can be done about it. When I eventually took redundancy (long story but its like a WTF is going on type and would be a great post for off topic and fairly long).
I made the decision to be a carer for my mum and be unemployed. So I applied for universal credit and the laughingly called Carers allowance of which I basically get less than £500 per month. So now I consider myself a full time carer. Not just office hours but 24 hours a day. Which I am up 4-5 times per night dealing with her. As well as dealing with her through out the day. Through out the day I also manage to carry out my day to day routines and sometimes doing the odd livestream where I pause mid livestream and go and deal with her especially at night if I am streaming.

Now if I can do streaming or watch a livestream whilst also doing what I do for looking after her, then I am sure that someone who has a slight busy life can find time to watch a livestream from DTG or who ever whether its live or VOD. And i'm sure there are people out there that are worse off than me to be honest. Personally i don't want to be a carer, but I don't get any help what so ever from my two brothers or two sisters I have to deal with this on my own. I want a job and a steady wage, but I wont get that until my mum eventually dies. Thats a harsh way of looking at it but that's how it is. I'm not looking for sympathy, I am just trying to explain if I can do this and still watch streams then some others can. Yes I know I am not technically at work but its considered work that I do not just 9-5 but 24/7, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year! I have been doing this the last 3 years.
You can also probably understand sometimes why I come across as crass and cranky in my forum posts / replies.

Hentis

 

Here, I helped you rephrase that in a nicer, less emotional way, just by removing the snarky bits. Now it's just a pretty good point that I can agree with.

 

I am sorry to hear about your situation. Life can be cruel sometimes. My mother has always told me that people who are mean/rude or cranky to others or are bullies usually have something not so good going on in their lives so I do sympathize.

That being said, there are some that just may have missed the stream or don't have the time to watch the stream for whatever reason hence why a person may have a question in the forum that was answered in the stream but may have missed the stream for whatever reason. The point of a forum is to also get information about certain topics of the game. Having it shown in a 90 minute+ long stream isn't really an effective way for everyone to know what is being discussed or if there questions were answered. This is why I advocate for articles to be written as summaries after roadmap streams that have key takeaways because the fact of the reality is that not everyone can watch a full duration of a stream for whatever personal reason. Considering that roadmap streams are once a month, I don't think this would be difficult to do in my opinion

 

Photoshop fix bud!

 

Danm sorry to hear that bud

 

From personal experience, I'd say the motor on the 484 sounds a lot like the '72 Bakerloo stock. Hence, it might be a good idea to just recycle some sounds from the existing 72 stock - less hassle to find new sounds, and you end up with more accurate noises than the current diesel-sounding ones.

 

Buy a rivet product you must be joking

 

As mentioned above, in TSW safety systems are turned off by default. Definitely not prototypical, but the idea is to make the game newbie-friendly and thus safety systems are optional not mandatory.

 

As has been explained, negotiations with SWR dragged out. Delay release? I doubt Rivet is in the financial position to defer revenue like that, especially since commercial liquidity is getting pretty dry these days. In any event a) the license will probably appear, eventually; 2) more important, you can bet that in less than 24 hours of release Creators Club will have a dozen iterations of the real livery for download (and for us in the PC world, permanent .pak-mod liveries will arrive). So I wouldn't call that a deal breaker: quickly and easily fixed.

 

I guess the easier it is for people to play TSW the more money the developers have to spend on new fancy content, so i suppose it's a win.

 

Rivet are probably releasing a heritage route. Chinnor to Princess Risborough. Only 3 miles long and loads of trees for scenery. I reckon they will do a reasonable job for £20.

 

I have the original IOW and I will look at the new route as I have ties to IOW but the fantasy livery does put me off. I think they said in the stream the original IOW will also see the updates but couldn't give a date, if that is the case I will put off buying it until the original is updated(if it looks OK). I actually liked the original IOW but the sea texture was awful.

I can see why it isn't a favourite of others as it is a small route but also IOW has a steam train, if they couldn't get a license for the 484 could they have not tried for the steam train?

It would be a lot easier to extend the GWE going to Bristol as it is all basically in a straight line.

Will DTG allow someone to do the proper livery in the designer? Or I wonder if it can be modded?

I wonder what the reason is for not OK-ing the licence? On the face of it, it seems petty but I wonder if there isn't a deeper reason? Suppose we will never know. But aren't DTG doing false advertising by them saying they do 'Authentic trains and routes'?

 

ANY livery can be modded. Since you're on PC have no fear about getting the proper livery.

 

DTG not allowing me to make my own livery in livery designer? That is a new high. (It's a joke. I know us PC players are spoilt with the Train Sim Community website that effectively lets us bypass DTG restrictions with liveries.)

 

While I am looking forward to this route and the free update to the original DLC; what happend to "We won't do DLC until we have the license"? I remember this statement from the stream about the present to past from TSW, and they said they had to ditch one DLC because of missing license, and they won't do it again.
Unless this was Rivet and not DTG doing this, then I have no further questions, haha!

 

Never believe anything DTG say. It's not unheard of for them to straight up lie or break promises. I'm still quite bitter about them not bothering to update the ECW 377 sounds despite saying they would eventually, as well as signalling/ safety system fixes for Boston Sprinter. We've been waiting nearly an entire year for both, and if they fixed the latter issue they haven't communicated it to my knowledge.

I also distinctly remember Matt saying with some confidence a few months ago that ALL the preservation updates would be out by June. I think I'm the fool for actually believing that though.

 

I still think that most of the issues come from to many fires going on at once. Bugs that might only be resolved by starting the code from the beginning, third party issues aka BR187 and Rivet, three products going on at once. I think they just took more than they could chew and try to be optimistic, while trying to fix what's going wrong.

I don't think that they are doing any of this on purpose. They behave different than the companies that do it on purpose.

 

Somebody said on the forum that Rivet had messed up because the train sounded like a diesel. There is a diesel engine sound in the background, that is the bus. The train itself has no engine, it draws power from a third rail which powers traction motors, and that sound is what is heard in the last few moments of the video (and is enough for some people to say it is either good, bad, or copied from a German train).

 

Is the 484 air conditioned?
That is relevant because when an EMU is stopped, a/c is the only sound you'll hear if it has it. If it doesn't you'll hear nothing until it starts moving.

Agreed, the diesel sound heard through most of the video is a truck or bus in the background.

 

Yeah, you can see the busses at that station in the current route.

 

Upon first hearing the new DLC was going to be the 484, I was quite disappointed - I firmly believe if you release rolling stock DLC, it has in some way got to have potential to be used on existing and/or future routes so there is more varied gameplay and layers to a timetable. Additionally, it doesn't help that the aforementioned DLC is on a short, standalone route with one track (mostly) and a quiet timetable.

But, while I'd probably preferred a completely new modern UK route (considering the overall lack of new content in TSW 2 lately), I was quite pleasantly surprised that the route would receive an upgrade, which is a real positive move I feel to complement any previous preservation updates and give some fresh gameplay. Although, while I'd be happy to see a couple older routes receive the same type of upgrade (across TSW 2 in general), this should only be from time to time, as completely new route/rolling stock DLC should still be the main priority.

 

The 484 specifically only runs on the Island Line, but as this is the first of the D-Train family to be brought to TSW2, I can imagine that with a few custom liveries it'd be a good stand-in for the Class 230 DEMU/Battery EMU, which belongs to the same family as the 484.

For my comments on the addon itself, I might pick this one up when it releases - although I live on the mainland (Maidenhead, to be exact, so the GWML is my local line!) my family have a holiday home on the Isle of Wight, so I'm very familiar with the Island Line and its stock. The livery isn't great, but I understand why it's had to be this way, and I'm sure with the right tweaks from livery makers, it'll look a bit more accurate.

More exciting is what the Class 484 opens up - I wouldn't be surprised if like the Class 483 from the original Island Line addon being used as the basis for the 1938 Stock, the Class 484 could be used as the basis for a D78 Stock in the future, and, as mentioned above, it could also serve as a base for the 230, too.

 

Why can't you pre-order on PlayStation

 

Why do you need to pre order for the playstation?
You worried they are going to sell out of digital copies?

Hentis

 

Given that they don’t know they can’t pre order DLC on PS, maybe they think that they will get the discount if they do pre order.

In any case you really should calm down with your instigative replies.

 

If I’m not mistaken discounts are given by Sony so if pre order of TSW DLCs existed then I don’t think we’ll often see a discount so the pre order will kinda become pointless

 

No to be honest its a legitimate question. I dont understand why people feel the need to pre order anything digital from a "digital store front". They are not going to run out of digital copies. If its like a Disc release from a software store or online like Amazon, Zaavi or Game UK then I would completely understand. As MYG92 has pointed out sometimes on the DLC PS plus users have had discounts on buying dlc for TSW in the past.

Hentis

 

Pre-order for some means "pay less ahead of release" rather than "you'll get a copy before others"

 

I am going to remain open-minded about this one. From the screenshots, some of the texturing looks really good—and (livery aside, as enough has been said about that already) the train model and cab texturing look excellent.

I didn’t much care for the original IOW because of the janky physics and poor sounds, but this refresh/upgrade has my interest.

 

I mean dtg are the publishers at the end of the day. There should be a bingo card for the amount of times they flat out lied to their customers unintentionally or intentionally

 

Maybe it's pc only.

Pre ordering is pointless frankly since you only get a $3 discount which isn't much to be honest

 

I'm probably going to get this. The original TSW2 Island Line is one of my favourite routes just to relax and look at the countryside when I only have 30 mins or so to play. So I'm probably going to enjoy the new train as well.

I've just tried today's update and the new water really does make a difference. Although from my memory of when I've been there, it's a bit too calm, but at least it actuially looks like water now.

As for the branding. That's not ideal. But as they said on Stream they are still investigating that. It may come it may not. For those that are saying don't release it until the branding is sorted, it may never get sorted and they are not going to scrap the DLC at this stage, so we may as well have it now and have a play with livery editor ourselves.

I've not been a big fan of the time it takes Rivet to get around to fixes in the past, but for me they are definitely improving. Luzern - Sursee is really quite good. West Cornwall will be much improved if the promised fix to the the 150 comes along - I really hope they worked with DTG on this and have got it right. Arosa isn't bad anymore with the right weather conditions set - Though it took far too long to get the fixes out (and I just wish they would fix the sound of the coaches). The only ones I'm disappointed with now are the 1938 Stock and DB 204.

Overall I'm optimistic for this one even if it's nothing spectacular. It'll be good for some variation. The good thing about the short length of the route being you can get a good 3 runs in before Steams 2 hour refund period is up.

 

Isn't it interesting to see the pricing on this add-on? It's $23 (USD) for the Class 484 on a modern-day Isle of Wight, which you may realize is cheaper than the 2010s-style Isle of Wight, which is $25.

Considering these are separate routes, that's pretty interesting that the version with a better timetable, better scenery, and a train that's appealing to more people, is the cheaper version. Kinda makes the original Isle of Wight seem like a silly purchase. Of course, I don't think the price should be changed at all. I just think it's kinda interesting.

 

To be fair the original Isle of Wight will still be way cheaper during a sale, so it's not entirely pointless. With that said it kind of shows how silly it is that DTG never change the base pricing for these addons. Even dropping Isle of Wight 2020's base price five dollars to be just below the new one would make so much more sense than it currently is.

 

Thanks for the helpful feedback...
But seriously, would you mind sharing your thoughts with us? ^^

Nope. It's the updated water (with the foam effect) from West Cornwall Local, it's audio occlusion mixes fixed on the Class 483, it's the added PIS system, it's minor changes on the gameplay and it's overall fixes/improvements on the scenery.


Oh and regarding the price: We though about it that way: It's basically a loco addon (11.99 Pound) with a route attached to it (3.00). We think that sounds quite fair, given the amount of new details which are in there.

 

Jasper - I’ve just loaded up IOW after the update went in today and the sea has not been upgraded to WCL standard. In fact, the sea has been removed altogether. Playing on Xbox One X

 

I don't think they lie intentionally. I just think they genuinly forgott what they said before.

 

Out of interest, the hovercraft shown for the new line is the “old” hovercraft rather than the ones currently in service with the Union Flag on the front. Is this a licensing issue as well (although I don’t think the hovercraft company can claim copyright on the Union Flag design)?

Maybe the new ones are both out at sea. To be fair, having watched the webcam, the old one can still often be seen on the site.

 

Eh, I guess maybe it's an insight into what percentage of those revenues go towards the licensing deals?

 

I imagine that the Brading passing loop will help contribute somewhat towards Rivet's timetabling options this time around.

 

Very much looking forward to this. Out of curiousity, in case you're able to answer this; is this a new business model Rivet is experimenting with here? That's the second time a route gets the "release, then enhance" treatment.

Personally, I like this idea, and would see another one for arosa again.

 

Got a pic comparison? I'd love to see the Union flag on there. Saying that does anyone have a pic of the new livery on the 484?