Here is another scenario post and some information about the locomotive. (This post came before the one that Pookeyhead had shown)
I think the price is subjective to the individual. £29.99 might seem expensive but it depends on how much use you get out of it, it is the same price as a good night out, which has gone in a few hours and just leaves you with a headache in the morning! I use the WCML routes a lot so the class 87 will get plenty of use. I do like the AP scenarios and will probably have a couple of missing items but RW tools is your friend there. I make my own scenarios so personally it isn't too much of an issue for me if I can play the scenarios with the DLC or not.
I've never found such comparisons convincing. Going out is in the socialising part of my life, whereas TSC is in the hobby part of my life. I don't see much equivalence between them. In my hobby budget, £29.95 is quite a lot, and it has to vie with lots of other demands, including the voice of conscience that says "You already have too many little used TS add-ons, why do you need another? Is it much different from the Class 86 EP, which you already use too little?"
All the liveries are posted! https://www.facebook.com/armstrongpowerhouse/photos/pcb.5824859930875431/5824855047542586/
It looks good, although I do find it funny the Back The Bid livery is listed as NSE despite never running for NSE, let alone in that livery.
I think they just felt they'd get stick if they called that livery anything else apart from NSE to be honest - the classic toothpaste. Perhaps "NSE Replica - Back to the Bid (Olympic bid livery)" would have been more apt, but they kept it concise
Yet it is quite obviously Network SouthEast livery isn't it. That's like saying InterCity Swallow livery was no longer InterCity Swallow livery when Virgin Trains took over and still ran locos in that livery.
But is IS the NSE livery. It's a bit like saying 66789 is not BR Large logo livery because it never ran under British Rail.
Looks nice and I'm sure it'll have many nice features, but it's probably going to be a sale time purchase from me as I'm not really that into leccy choo choo's, by "that into" I mean I'm not "ooohh I must have it right now" but I'd definitely drive it once I got it. Now if it was a 47.... Offft...
I have to agree with the 47. The sim NEEDS a decent 47. I mean, how can you have a train simulator with British routes and no decent 47. They've been as common as weeds on the UK network since the early 60s and there's still a decent amount of them mainline registered to this day. I know there was the Virgin version which was an improvement, and the variation of it that came with the Welsh Marches line, but we need an AP quality spoon! The reason I'm so looking forward to the 87 is pure nostalgia. I used to spend a great deal of time on Preston station as a kid from around 1979 onwards, and these things were just part of that time and place for me. More than any other loco in the game, the 87 is the one I've been looking forward to playing with a decent representation of it since I first bought the game 4 years ago. If it wasn't for that I'd probably wait for it to be on sale as well, like I did for the 411.
Oh, it's certainly based on NSE. I'm not denying that, as that would be objectively false. However, it must be made clear that it is a promotional livery, like those Class 66s in BR liveries. The suggestion above of calling it something like 'Back The Bid NSE' is the one that makes the most objective sense and serves both points of view.
But if you were to say what livery 66789 was in, you'd say BR Large Logo, and if anyone asked me what livery that 87 was in, I'd day NSE... because it clearly is the NSE livery.
Having checked my original post, at no point did I say it wasn't NSE livery. I just found it funny that it was not listed as a promotional livery, which is what it is.
Why is it "funny"? Would you find it funny if 66789 was listed as being in "BR Large Logo" livery? "promotional Livery" is a bit vague. It's blatantly NSE livery. Whether it was promotional or not is irrelevant... it's NSE livery. (shrug).
At no point did I say that you said it wasn't. I just don't see why you have an issue with it being called NSE livery. It IS.
I would, because it would suggest 66s were actually painted in Large Logo livery as standard, and run by BR (although that wouldn't actually be an out of this world suggestion, since BR did plan on buying 59s). Now, if it was called 'BR Large Logo - GBRF' then that would make sense. Context is everything.
No it wouldn't LOL Find me one single person who would, if shown a photo of 66789, say it was "BR Large Logo-GBRF" LOL... no one would. It's BR Large Logo. Please stop being silly.
No, they would not specifically say that, but they would acknowledge it is a GBRF promotional livery. The livery on the Class 376s is the Connex livery, but saying it is a Connex Class 376 would be wrong. Perhaps, but it's probably best to agree to disagree. I'm quite tired and I probably shouldn't have replied to you in the first place. My argumentative nature is a side-effect of my changed world view, I'm trying to stick up for myself and my beliefs. It's not personal. Goodbye.
LOL. No. I know you'd love that because that would allow you to walk away and convince yourself that you're not being a completely ridiculous pedant just because you have an axe to grind re: AP.... but... nah... You're wrong. Sorry. Irrelevant. If asked what livery it was, they would reply with "BR Large Logo" and you know it. The only reason I'm still replying to you is because I'm genuinely curious as to how long your pride forces you to keep this ridiculous argument up instead of just backing down and admitting what a ridiculous criticism it really was. Seriously... from a psychological perspective, this is fascinating. ...fascinating.
is there ever a day goes by on these forums you dont pick on someone. You are starting to get VERY annoying i have been in the train sim community for 21 years and i have never met someone as rude as you ever in all those years.
Yeah yeah... The guy's just arguing because he's incapable of admitting he's being ridiculous. Getting a bit tired of "agreeing to disagree" with people who talk nonsense. That's how we ended up with a US president that says stuff like "wind turbines give you cancer" and people actually believing it, and saying "why not agree to disagree?". Because it's a bunch of crap, that's why. Just block me, and you'll never have to read anything I write ever again.
No he is not arguing he is TRYING to post his opinion something you dont allow people to do unless they are signing from the same song sheet as you. You are nothing but a bully on here i have reported your posts and i can only imagine it is a matter of time before you are removed from here than thankfully we wont all need to block you. Have a lovely day your not getting any more attention from me as you try your little bait trick to drag others into your issues to draw admin attention to others as well as you.
Just ignore him and do not feed into the bait. Report his comments here as well as in the other thread where he is targeting you and let admin deal with him.
He's not being ridiculous. You're the one being ridiculous, with your inability to accept that people can have views that are different from your own, coupled with your intense desire to always have the last word.
I have reported his posts via the report button. If you have the same opinion may i suggest you report as well. If more people let admin know of the problem they they will deal with the situation/member.
The best idea is never to respond if it bothers you too much. Anywho, I like the leccy traction but at nearly £30 in these times is a bit too much for me, sale time.
The price hasn't been announced yet as far as I can see? £29.99 is just a discussion point rather than confirmed.
I think £29.99 is quite likely, which for me is worth while as I will be using the pack a lot as the WCML in BR period is one of my favourite eras to "model". But as said we are just speculating.
I think 29 quid is likely considering the number of people involved and the amount of work going into it. I'm still a bit concerned over whether the cross arm pantograph variants also have named versions, as the livery images released yesterday show the unnamed cross arm variants, and the named ones with the Bracknell Willis pantograph. I asked AP by tagging them whether there will be named variants with the cross armed pantographs, and they never replied. That's twice they have not replied to that question, and a few times also when others have asked. It would be very disappointing if that is the case, as they spent around 7 years of their lives both named, and with cross arm pantographs.
With the Class 86 EP I can have a BR Blue Loco with a Nameplate and either a Stone Faveley or a Brecknell Willis panto by changing the bits after the loco number - it would be strange if you don't have a choice between Cross-Arm or Brecknell Willis in this pack.
For people who missed it, here are the photos of the cab of the Class 87 posted by Armstrong Powerhouse.
I think there may be different cab interiors (texture wise) that may be clean/dirty/worn dependant on what loco they are linked too, just a guess mind you but it's based off of this picture posted by AP the other day. Hint: Look at the tape on the power handle..
Dont own that pack myself as of yet BUT from watching streams etc i would say from what i have viewed you are possibly correct.
The OHLE is set higher than standard and the Pantographs and the OHLE are not dynamic - they are at a fixed height. Put a UK/European loco on a US Route and the Pantographs don't reach the wire
The 86 was done by DTG 10 year's ago, unsure who the actual modeller and texturer was, but, the Class 87 is a new Waggonz product, so, are likely to both be differently textured, and this new model has been marketed as having different weathering across the range. It would be nice to have a few scuff marks on the desks from use over the years, maybe we have been too blessed with the work of Jordi and others over the years and expect all cabs to be the same high standard. Cheerz. Steve.
I was only referring to the 87, I thought the pic I posted was of the 87 too, was it not? Sorry I got it wrong if it's not.
Well, I'll have a look at the 87 cab controls now that AP have released it.......yeehaw. Cheerz. Steve.
