Road Map Train Sim World 3 - Roadmap Part 2 11th August 2022

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  1. londonmidland

    londonmidland Well-Known Member

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    Have you got an image?
     
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  3. Scorpion71

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    Or rename it to Training Hub or Training Complex or Training Facility or Training Area or Tr.......... meh not bothered either way to be honest
     
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  4. animatiker

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    Are you really sure about that? Guess you‘ve never been to Switzerland then… For someone from Germany it seems you have to pay for buses in the City of Zurich when speeding ( https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/pd/de/index/stadtpolizei_zuerich/bussen/de.html - in Swiss High German (Schweizer Hochdeutsch) the word Buße (fine) is spelled Busse - which is the same as the plural form of bus) and you are not allowed to cross the „Geleise“ in a station instead of „Gleise“, which is the spell for tracks in Germany.

    There are a lot of other examples too, and I‘m not speaking of the Swiss German dialects Schwizerdütsch… ;)
     
  5. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    It'll be the American version.
     
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  6. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    We wish it were that easy, but a lot of those improvements necessitate reworking a lot of the existing routes (the lighting, for instance, is done on a per-route basis and requires new Lux measurements of the whole route, so is a lot more work than just adjusting a dial).
     
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  7. lord everything

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    Any comment on the weathered 66? Just interested as it is a cool concept
     
  8. heyitspopcorn

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    I hope the final route isn’t as saturated and washed out as this screenshot…
     
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  9. gogglesguy

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    I would insist on localization in cockney at the minimum. /s
     
  10. gogglesguy

    gogglesguy Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying there's no difference between German German, Swiss German and Austrian German?
     
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  11. junior hornet

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    UK version of what? There is not UK version of TSW3. There is just TSW3. All I said was that if the Training Center/re is based in the US, then the American Spelling would be appropriate, just as, say, the German routes use German names such as Schnellfahrstrecke.
     
  12. tallboy7648

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    Honestly they should just rename Training center to "Ausbildungszentrum". That should make everyone happy :)
     
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  13. JonnE

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    Or Übungsstübli. Or Trainingsstüberl. Or Hort des Wissens. Or Exercitium ... :)
     
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  14. dhekelian

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    Thank You for letting me know. Could I ask why DTG thought it acceptable to have the UK version in a foreign language? For me you have given me another reason not to buy this.

    By UK version I mean UK localisation. How would you like it if in the German version it came up as French instead?
     
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  15. LodeStar

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    It is not Siemens Krefeld....it is Wegberg-Wildenrath...that is an other location and under a different subsidiary of Siemens nowadays...
    But you are right about the different safety systems. And an (most important) interesting question overall!

    Come on guys, Purno was a bit joking about it. But seriously...can we please leave it to rest?
     
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  16. antony.henley

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    No the Class 66 in weathered EWS livery (66232) is the loco below the Orange BNSF ES44.
    The training centre Class 66 GREY is above the ES44.

    Hentis

    [​IMG]
     
  17. antony.henley

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    Clue It says WORK IN PROGRESS Bottom left.

    Hentis :)
     
  18. antony.henley

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    How about Train Driving School :)

    Hentis
     
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  19. Felix Costa

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    OMG! Center/Centre is it really that important? I'm not buying if it's not "Centro de Treinamento"
     
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  20. redrev1917

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    whats happened to tonights stream? Nothing On Youtube
     
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  21. AtherianKing

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    tech issue probably

    edit: Live now
     
  22. lord everything

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    got a link please cant find it
     
  24. Luke8899

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    Stream here
     
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  25. lord everything

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    It's live guys
     
  26. jamieskinner123456

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    Hopefully you can ask this question. I have all the UK DLC and I never used the USA & German routes that come with the base game of TSW1 & 2. I’ll be buying TSW3 the UK package over on Playstation 5 but when I switch to TSW3 will I be able to redownload all the UK DLC except the USA and German? It’s pointless me having the routes on there if I don’t play them. I know I’m technically buying the Southeastern route again but that’s because I only want the UK content.
     
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  27. Dewedin

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    If you have all the UK DLC, including Southeastern High Speed and Spirit of Steam, there is no point buying the UK package of TSW3 because your UK DLC is included whichever package you buy and this includes the upgrades for Southeastern High Speed and Spirit of Steam.
     
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  28. jamieskinner123456

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    But will I be able to just download the UK content over to TSW3 or do I have to have the base game DLCs from TSW1&2? I’m not interested in the USA and Germany content.
     
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  29. SteveRail

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    You’d have to buy one tsw3 package, German or US and you’ll automatically get SOS & SEHS
     
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  30. Dewedin

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    I don't know for sure, but for example don't see why they wouldn't allow you to download Bakerloo on its own into TSW3 if you own TSW2. You are definitely wasting your money to buy the UK package of TSW3 when you can pay the same for German or US package and get a new route that you don't already own.
     
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  31. Yerolo

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    The TSW2 base routes (BKL, SKA & SPG) are being separated out into single DLCs for TSW3 and require individual store pages for each

    Thats why presumably those 3 routes won't be immediately available for download into TSW3 day 1 (although day 1 varies depending if you preorder or not and have 4 days EA)

    I'm assuming they won't be delayed for too long after launch though (1-2 days at most)
     
  32. Doomotron

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    Both the TestTrak (also based on Wildenrath) and the Academy, the predecessors of this route, are very old. TestTrak is from 2010 and the Academy from 2014, so they will not have aged very well compared to the new route. Modern versions of these routes which are available will look much better. I can feel ZeenozPlays planning a comparison video between the original TestTrak and the Training Centre...
    We've fallen for that one before...
    It will almost certainly work the same way as the change to TSW2020 and TSW2020 to TSW2. In both of these instances the base routes of the previous versions were made available as individual DLCs for the subsequent game. In the transition from TSW to TSW2020, NEC New York and Rapid Transit were made individual DLCs* so users who bought TSW2020 only could still get those routes. TSW2020 to TSW2 worked in the same way; GWE, LIRR, MSB and NTP became individual TSW DLCs that you could claim for free in TSW2, although that transition was a bit weird on PlayStation due to the weird way the PlayStation Store works, so DTG actually gave away the TSW2 versions of the TSW2020-specific base routes as well as the TSW1 main routes for free.

    Bakerloo Line, Koln Aachen and Sand Patch will become individual DLCs in TSW3 that owners of TSW2 will be able to claim for free.
     
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  33. goochdog#5870

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    Wow just wow
    Color me surprised
     
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  34. OldVern

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    Just curious. While the concerns yesterday and today have (rightly) centred around the save game debacle, can anyone who's watched the stream(s) confirm what has been said about sound. Specifically will we now be getting reverb under bridges and in tunnels, rumble crossing over structures etc?
     
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  35. AtherianKing

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    probably because it’s based off a place in Germany

    and places like that still get picked up in that “language type” like Köln

    likewise when they describe the German routes, DTG being English company still say words like “Schnellfahrstreke” rather than putting it into news articles as high speed line
     
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  36. solicitr

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    I propose Bahnasium.

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    Seriously, dhekelian: there is no "UK version" of the game. There is one English-language version of the game. (Although it might be fun if DTG added Geordie localisation, just to confuse the hell out of everyone)
     
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  37. AtherianKing

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    the toon centre
     
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    Wasn't answered, however there will be a specific stream later going more in depth with sound, I can't tell you when. It's a really good question though!
     
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    As long as the reception will be playing ABBA ".. take a choo take a choo choo chance.. "
     
  40. mattchester#9176

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    I've not seen this mentioned but given the focus on audio improvements and specifically adding the iris effect for tunnels for TSW3 it would be a real missed opertunity to add additional immersion if tunnel reverb was not added.

    I'm not getting my hopes up, I guess we'll get the answer when they preview the new German route as it's full of tunnels!
     
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    Is the TGV DLC required to be purchased when the SEHS TSW3 version releases, as apparently there is some TGV test runs from St Pancras?..
     
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    Not sure where you heard about that...
     
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    Will presumably be a layer, so yes.
     
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    The TSW3 roadmap stream tonight lol..
     
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    The irony is, tunnel and underpass reverb was included all the way back in CSX:HH (Sand Patch)- and it's still there. Never done again, but DTG certainly know how to do it.
     
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    I'm not sure why there's any confusion at all. The graphic and the stream made it pretty clear and obvious to people with folds in their brain. The update to TSW3 IS NOT FREE. If you want it, then you'll have to buy at least one of the offerings. And congrats, you learned the million dollar secret in any business in the year 2022, bundles tend to be cheaper. That's why Apple, Samsung and the rest of the modern day phone market has a Plus, Ultra, or whatever terminology the marketing people use, where the base model is as barebones as it gets and has "deals" to entice people to buy the more expensive offering.
     
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    not required for the route

    but if you want the layer you will likely need LGV Mediterranane
     
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  48. dhekelian

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    yeah perhaps you're right. TBH I was feeling a bit miffed. But yeh sign me up for the Geordie version or even Brum!
     
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    I genuinely appreciated JD spending a fair amount of time addressing the save game issue in the stream. I understand much better ( from MP's explanation ) how difficult the solution might be.

    However, I still don't understand:
    I. Why withdrawing the feature is a better move than leaving it in for the routes and instances where it does work fairly well ( like SPG ).
    2. Why only now has this become an urgent matter such that an entire new " hit squad "is being set up.? Why not a year or two years ago, when the issue first surfaced?

    If the urgency is genuinely there and fixing it has been triaged to the high priority level, then I will likely cool my heels, let it go and wait a while ( 2 or 3 months? ) for the beginnings of a fix to appear before posting about it again
     
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    I don't believe TGV Duplexes have ever run into St Pancras - a single TGV did once, but that wasn't a duplex and it didn't enter under its own power. The ICE 3, however, did enter St Pancras.
     
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