Tsw3 - Sehs Ecml Ai Services

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  1. samuelbrookes1

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    In tonight's stream, when they showed the map for SEHS, you could see AI trains on the ECML near King's Cross. None of the current trains we have in TSW run on the ECML. Does this mean that there could be a future ECML route that's services are being layered onto the dev build here?
     
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    cloudyskies21 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, there technically is a couple of TSW trains already exist that do, namely the Class 387 (with Great Nothern - part of Govia Thameslink - in real life) and Class 66 for freight.
     
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    I can only hope and pray that ECML will be a future route however although I hope it does I would assume it doesn't mean anything . Good spot I didn't even notice it.
     
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    True, although one of the services shown on the map is 5 cars, and neither the 387 nor the 66 is 5 cars. Also, they wouldn't put a GX 387 in to the route, and they wouldn't make a whole new GN livery just for an AI train.
     
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    That is extremely well spotted.

    I've booted up the stream to try and get some more fidelity on it but to no use really - I think there's a locomotive on the west-most line, then two four-car multiple units and a five car multiple unit. Can anyone that knows more about that bit of track than me hazard any guesses as to what they might be?

    There's also another five car MU on the spur line between the two but I have no idea what that is or where it goes.
     
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    Indeed, wasn't actually stating it was those, just what TSW trains we have and what is there in real life.

    Actually, even if they did, it wouldn't be unrealistic believe it or not. A few Class 387s from GX - with branding which says 'operated by Gatwick Express' - are in service on the ECML - seen below was at Peterborough back in May:

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    The loco on the west most line is on a siding on part of the Midland Main line. And the spur that the other 5 car train is on heads towards the Thameslink core, although the only trains that use that route are 700s, which are 8 or 12 cars.
     
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    That is true, I forgot about those trains. But that still doesn't explain the 5 car services.
     
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    The 5 car trains could be LNER Class 800/801, Hull Trains Class 802, Lumo Class 803 or Grand Central Class 180 Adelante? I don't think the 387 has any 5 car formations, although they could easily be the 4 car sets.
     
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    Well lner run five car azumas (class 80x), grand central have 5 car class 180s, hull trains run 5 car 802s I believe and lumo have 5 car 803s. GTR use 4car 387s on their GN services.
     
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    No, 387s are only 4 cars.
     
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    This has got to be another leak, right? Or am I just overtired and overexcited? Can't think of any currently existing 5 car multiple units that would be layered in here.
     
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    I don't think there are even any 5 car MUs in the game.
     
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    I do think that you are right in saying that.
     
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    What about the Class 43? Isn't there something like a 5 or 6-car version in scenario planner that can be selected?
     
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    Isn't that 5 or 6 cars plus 2 locomotives? Also, 43s don't run on the ECML anymore.
     
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    I think that 6 car is the minimum.
     
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    Trying not to get excited about this. Already failing miserably.
     
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    I am experiencing the exact same here mate!!!
     
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    I think there have been a few leaks, I hope Loco DLC is well into the production stage even though they aren't announcing anything. Lukas mentioned in the article Nightjet by name. we have OBB in game but no nightjet trainsets, and here is a 5 car set. The silence on the loco DLC is going to be followed by a surge. To use a weather analogy for TSW3 a drought followed by a flood.
     
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    The really confusing bit for me at the moment is the train on the central spur, which appears (after a bit of digging) to be the Canal Tunnels which lead to St Pancras Thameslink - and as far as I can tell have only ever been used by (minimum 8 car length) Class 700s. But that train doesn't look like a Class 700 as it doesn't have enough carriages - although admittedly the details are frustratingly vague.
     
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    The GX387’s are regulars on the route out of kings cross. The demand for Gatwick express was reduced because of Covid so a few units moved up.
     
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    The only 5 car trains that leave kings cross are the Class 800/801’s and the Class 180’s.

    You’ve got LNER, Hull trains and Grand Central.

    In the past there were short HST’s run by Grand Central and Hull trains but not anymore.
    I suspect they’ve used a short HST as a placeholder for whatever they are cooking up.

    Or perhaps they are modelling the engineering trains which were top and tailed by class 66’s during the recent redevelopment of the station throat. It’s clearly not before this as the third portal of Gasworks tunnel would be open and you would have six tracks leaving kings cross in total.
     
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    There are aso HT's 802s and Lumo's 803s.
    I doubt that the 5 car trains are 66s, because the intermediate cars look more like MUs than wagons.
     
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    Me too, I think they are purely placeholders for something else in the pipeline.
     
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    The GX 387s that run for GN still have the GN logo and they wouldn't obtain the GN logo, and relivery the trains just for an AI service.
     
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    YOU'LL BE GOING NOWHERE
     
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    Most have the GN vinyls now but originally they just ran with the full Gatwick Express livery until they had time to vinyl them.

    It’s clearly not a up-to-date rendition of the east coast as there are only four tracks coming out of gasworks tunnel meaning the latest it could be set accurately is spring 2021. A lot of them running out of kings cross didn’t have the GN vinyls then.

    Even if they had the licence they might not change the livery- DTG have run the wrong ai as a placeholder before. Just to have something else moving.

    The ICE 3 on rapid transit is a good example.
     
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    I hope so!
     
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    Could easily be some red GX387 in the incorrect livery, afterall your only going to get a fleeting look at them as you pass over.
     
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    Yes, but that still doesn't explain the 5 car services.
     
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    Looks like they are Class 66’s with ballast wagons.
     

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