I think there should be a route with the Eurostar going through the channel tunnel between London and Paris and/or Amsterdam if it’s possible
FYI, it exists for TS Classic (Ashford-Lille). Comes with the Class 9000 and as extra DLC, the Eurostar 373. https://ahsrailworks.weebly.com/#/
If you look at it the loco doesn't have the logo on it which is something that dtg won't/don't want to do on their routes and locos.
https://www.railsim-fr.com/forum/index.php?/files/file/1943-el-ahs-class-373-logo-patch/ There you go.
I suspect that it may not be officially licenced or whoever made this got very lucky as I know for sure that eurostar licences are very, very, very hard to get, in fact near on impossible.
Fair point, however it is a rivet route and I am just saying what dtg have said many times in the past.
I think it really depends on what the licence covers. Is it just the livery or the trains too? What about the timetable? Channel Tunnel itself is not operated by Network Rail so they would also need to get permission to represent that in the game. SNCF presumably not a problem as we already have the LGV line. It really depends how obstructive the train operator and infrastructure company want to be, if really awkward the slightest niggle could trigger a no. And choosing a fictional livery even if they got away with it, does not give access to the trains themselves which DTG would need for cab and passenger interiors, sounds and detailed survey of cab equipment. Quite likely Eurostar could object on security grounds too.
Refer to my point above. Access needed to the trains themselves which will not be forthcoming if the company is not prepared to cooperate or has security concerns. Think it through before posting.
The trains themselves are based on the ICE 3, correct? So there is your answer. And Seating plan is freely available https://flockler.com/files/sites/891/e320-seating-plan-en--9bydms3bv5.pdf
There is still the fact you would need permission from Eurostar to put their services in the game. If it was going to happen, with both the original SEHS and now the extended version I’m sure it would have been in there, along with the Chunnel through to Calais at least. Happy to be proved wrong, of course…
Channel Tunnel as well as Shuttle services are owned by Getlink. So to use the Channel tunnel in game would probably require permission from them, and not from the operators of Eurostar.
If one has read the recent report by DTG on SEHS published a few days ago https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/tsw3-sehs-a-timetable-deep-dive(If you haven't yet read it stop reading my comment SPOILER ALERT) they mention that players can use the TGV Duplex on the route and it has been included for the new game. Not trying to read to far into it but perhaps with that it may be a sign that DTG are seriously thinking about it. Further to this, if one looks at other suggestions there is clearly an appetite for international routes and the Chunnel could provide a portal to connections across Europe from the UK.
OK this is extremely interesting, could mean that this might be a sign that they are in serious talks between DTG, and Eurostar and Getlink for the inclusion of such a line in game.
DTG would likely have little problem getting the permission and licensing to do this, nobody can say no to their tenacious licensing department forever. A few meals at swanky hotels and a deal can be struck. Then the next hurdles are the length of the route, the signalling and safety systems and how many people would buy it to make it viable. Nothing insurmountable now that TSW has grown the way it has. It’s the kind of thing they would put in a new game release rather than a DLC I think, so don’t expect it any time soon. It does get requested a lot.
Wasn't this route always turned down for gameplay reasons? You would be driving in a tunnel for 20 minutes straight and that's not exactly interesting.
Honestly, for me, it isn't about the Channel Tunnel, but the scenery on either end of the route. Certainly worth the 32 miles.
One must remember that there are also crossovers in the tunnel and you can see different trains whilst inside such as car transporters, lorry transporters, freight trains and other Eurostars. Further to this there are e320s and refurbished e300s.
Pretty much, St. Pancras and the Channel Tunnel is roughly the same length if not a bit longer, Gare du Nord to Calaise is def longer.
No. It’s merely there to bulk out the timetable. Read the article very carefully and you’ll find this as well.
In addition to the TGV reference in the article there was also mentions of Dollands Moor and UK-France freight. FYI a company called Highbrow Interactive made an android game called 'Euro Train Simulator 2' it seems from their Eurostar levels that they may have done a licensing deal so it may not be so hard for DTG. In terms of the security risk if DTG only focuses on the HS1 connection and avoids the car transporters then there should not be a problem.
Car Transporters aren't Eurostar, those, along with the Channel Tunnel itself, are owned and mainted by Getlink.
Ah, the usual "I want", "well you can't have", "ah but some third party did it with an editor and an illegal version of the logo so why can't we have it now" debate Basically, up until this point Eurostar don't license their logos or liveries for use in games. Whether somebody did it in an editor or not isn't relevant, only whether DTG would receive a cease and desist notice or not. Given that DTG don't want legal notices dropping through their postbox they won't, as it stands' be doing any Eurostar stock or assets. I imagine we won't be seeing the ticket office at Ebbsfleet for example Now if Eurostar changes hands, or changes tack on licensing then we MAY see DTG adding the thing into the game and then we MIGHT see them on HS1 and any North France routes (if they ever make them) but as it stands it's not happening, and not because DTG don't want to, but because they would get slapped down by lawyers if they did so And as for "Le Shuttle", I don't think they ever go further than Cheriton in the UK, certainly I've never seen one on HS1 or at Ashford or Ebbsfleet.
Technically, so long as they don't use the logo, colour scheme or train sets they can still include it, so long as they have permission to include the channel tunnel by Getlink. Infact for the E300 and E320 (granted you cannot call them that in game with out licensing from Eurostar, but you can call them the British Class 373/TGV TMST and British Class 374), all they need is licencing permission from Alstom SA & Siemens Mobility respectively to include them. Everything else, the lines and stations, you don't need permission from Eurostar.
Indeed. I really can’t understand why some people can’t accept Eurostar is unlikely to happen and no amount of keyboard lawyering is going to change DTG’s policy on the matter.
More like, so long as you don't use the same logo and colour scheme, and have permission from the manufacturer of the trains, you should be okay
20 minutes trundelling along under the English Channel isnt my cup of tea. But even if it was given theres a raft of other more interesting routes then the Channel Tunnel yet to be included, the length required to get a decent service pattern, licensing issues etc etc I really dont expect to see it any time soon. Your best chance to see Eurostar services would be if we got a Lille to Brussel LGV Nord/HSL1 lines. Or perhaps Brussels to Rotterdam via the HSL4 & HSL -ZUID lines, which would argueably give us more variety. Although given that we've zero Benelux lines this is still highly unlikely.
The only licencing issues really would be from Getlink, who own the Channel Tunnel itself, along with the Shuttle Services from Folkestone to Calais, the manufacturers of the trainsets themselves, and Eurostar if you want to use their logos and colour schemes.
You mean whoever owns the intellectual property of the trainsets... The people who make something don't necessarily own it's image rights, especially where specification has been directly applied by the end owner / user ie if Eurostar specced the train and gave a direct contract to the manufacturer, Eurostar could own teh IP to that variant of the train, meaning you couldn't produce a likeness of that specific version without Eurostar's say so, even if other variants CAN be licensed from other parties.
And even if that were the case, the DB407 is the closest derirative to the E320, being designed for international services.
Except for Eurostar services. From memory the ICE train that was in London a while back had to be dragged there
