Possible Expansion Pack For Tsw3?

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  1. WonterRail

    WonterRail Well-Known Member

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    This just popped up in the steamdb for what appears be a possible expansion pack for TSW3. Now before you say anything, this is not the New Journey's Expansion already available on TSW2, but rather a new expansion pack for TSW3's core routes. The details of which can be found in the stats below:

    From having a look at these stats, it seems like it would come with a Santa Fe EMD F7, a DB BR 182 and a Class 66 in DB red livery.

    Interesting to see where this goes and how you all react to this one.

    Steamdb: https://steamdb.info/app/1944790/history/?changeid=U:32602575
     
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  2. bobbobberdd

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    Ok those Santa Fe EMD F7 and the 182 make sense somehow, but why another Class 66 for SEHS.

    But I'm still looking forward to driving a 182 over the High-Speed Route, which will most likely come with new Waggons. I assume it will be the same as from the 101
     
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  3. WonterRail

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    I would imagine it would be the DB Red livered Class 66, as the stats seem to hint at.
     
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    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Don't see the point in a pack offering a different livery for the 66 when I can just downloaded one of many from creators club. Its going to have to include some new rolling stock to tempt me. Doesn't the 182 already sub in to SKW anyway?If that's the case then only thing we couldn't do already is drive a F7 in service mode on CJP and that's hardly worth £7-£10 for an expansion pack
     
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    On the class 66 achievements it says RHTT, class 66 with railhead treatment wagons maybe?
     
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  7. redrev1917

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    The achievement names would lean to that suggestion as well
     
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  8. WonterRail

    WonterRail Well-Known Member

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    I was just about to say that I did notice the RHTT in the stats aswell. Which means that I could come with a wagon looking something like this.
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    If that's the case, then I expect that the services it will bring will be seasonal. Like happening in the autumn/winter months of the year.

    Image Source: https://www.hattons.co.uk/directory/versiondetails/article?id=771
     
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  9. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    I'll be a little aggrieved if this comes out before the New Journey expansion ports over. Ofcourse if it's additional content added value for New Journeys and this is why it's been held back I'll be happy
     
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    Guess the Dispolok 182 will either be in this livery or this one [​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    Oooh, this is exciting. I do like an F7 - especially if they remember to add the Banking Comm this time.
     
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    Well as an bonus you will get it in Santa Fe Livery
     
  13. KMAN

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    I have a feeling that wagons dont really sell well on there own so if you bundle the 66 with a new livery it is easier to sell. I welcome more wagons and had a feeling this new season feature would allow such add - ons.
     
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    Well, let's hope for the grey/yellow one, because the black one would be almost the same as in Hamburg
     
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    Doesn't GB railfreight hold the contract for RHTT in the SE using class 73's?
    So an EWS66 on this would be very very wrong.
     
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    completely undermines the point of scenario/livery planner. WTF!
     
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  17. I've only seen 73's hauling this on the Chatham line.
     
  18. mrchuck

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    Any plans on extension for lirr or Boston sprinter route?
     
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    Maybe these new additions will be combined with the existing content from the New Journeys expansion? Could be the reason for the mysterious delay of its TSW3 release.
     
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    Actually its not a Class 66, Its actually a DB BR 266(Which is a class 66 but with German signalling)
     
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    EDIT Dont think it is Just Trains content now.


    Ok so just a thought. Could this be Just Trains first entry into into TSW DLC?
    I am only saying this as JT released a Railhead treatment train dlc add on for train Sim Classic a number of years ago. It was with a loco as well I'm thinking either a class 20 or the 67. Just a thought. looking forward to it also believe someone mentioned about rolling stock add ons a few months ago in a livestream, as in the lack of them. So who knows.

    Hentis
     
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  22. antony.henley

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    But why would they have it on Southeast Highspeed? We dont get German 66's on the SEHS.

    Hentis
     
  23. CK95

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    F7 could be interesting on CJP.

    182 on KWG would be a good addition with an IC/EC layer, not sure I’m too interested in more night time freight.

    RHTT on SEHS, now this one is very interesting, I’m not keen on the class 66 (much less in DB, that makes even less sense, and we’ve already had it). A colas 73 would be much better, however at that point it’s a loco DLC, the last expansion only gave us loco changes. Other than that though, I’d love to see these types of services.
     
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    Not really because they would use the 66 from SEHS, the new wagons would be the RHTT wagons, not sure about the F7 and what that would entail consist wise but the BR182 would be a new livery. But remember we are very very limited in how we create scenarios for scenario planner.

    There are also some fantastic GBRF liveries on creators club as well, So yeah it would be legit. :p

    Hentis
     
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    Colas have a 73? :o :p
    But 73 would be great....

    Also the other thing a few times in the "promotion" of Southeastern Highspeed for TSW 3 we have often seen Autumnal scenes of CGI leaves being blown around the place as a sedgeway to another item of the SEHS. Check it out in THe Matt and JD piece announcing TSW 3.

    Also the fact that They can do seasonal services in these timetables now. So the 66+RHTT would only appear from Oct - December months.

    Hentis
     
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  26. pipanminuta#9703

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    Hmm interesting...
    Maybe it will be announced before next roadmap?

    I hope that 182 is in grey/yelow livery
     
  27. CK95

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    Not as far as I’m aware, would just be better than a DB66 on RHTT.

    GBRF license might be an issue for TSW & network rail too.

    We badly need more modern era UK locos & TOC’s.
     
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  28. antony.henley

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    Amen Brother!
     
  29. Mr JMB

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    Freightliner would be a good one to get as well.
     
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  30. Disintegration7

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    Well this is all very interesting.

    I'm really curious what the plan for Cajon Pass is with this. I'm guessing it'll just be a reskin of the Clinchfield F7 and freight rolling stock into ATSF liveries.

    I can't imagine they'd build a whole vintage passenger set just to do the SW Chief, though i guess maybe they could port it back to Clinchfield- but unless a vintage US passenger route is in the works separately, it seems very unlikely.

    The other two offerings seem to make a little more immediate sense.
     
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    F7 passenger set would be awesome and actually offer something over Cajon that isn't in Run 8.

    RHTT - could be fun if fully animated and you have control over the waterjet and sandite application.

    BR182 - well I would rather see something new like the BR189 from Konstanz in TSC or a vintage electric like a 103 or 141. Will depend whether it's TSG or Skyhook quality.
     
  32. Would this be the california zephyr, Or is that another route?
     
  33. maxthum

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    Califonia Zephyr goes to Oakland, CA.

    El Capitan or Super Chief would be the two long-distance trains that traverse over Cajon Pass and used F7 Santa Fe alongside a series of stainless steel Budd carriages or Pullman cars respectively.
     
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  34. Thanks for the info. One of these trains would be nice.
     
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    I discovered most of this along with Shiiba on Day 1 of early access. I've already enabled the F7 for PC users. It's a Santa Fe F7A, F7B and a boxcar (which based on my data is either a reskinned CRR boxcar or CJP BNSF boxcar).

    With some trickery here it is in service mode aliased to the CRR stock. It has its own services and full functional scenario planner consists.
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    As for the BR 182 is a Dispolok scheme (whatever that is).

    The RHTT uses default Class 66s for now and has three cars, a tripe tank, a double tank with pump and a single tank.
     
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  36. Awesome.
     
  37. Blacknred81

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    Honesty, feels like a quick cash grab with the F7 for Cajon, especially if it's only reskinned cars from Clinchfield.

    If they really want to make it desirable, give us some vintage TOFC cars WITH PROPER TRAILERS to go with them (No Euro stuff like SHG did with HSC), so we can simulate some Super C freight across the Southern Transcon. At least make it somewhat interesting....
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  38. Crosstie

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    The stark contrast with TS Classic is so apparent here. For Raton Pass, High Iron produced a pack containing a full range of 1950's/1960's locos and rolling stock in ATSF livery.
    Key Features
    • Santa Fe EMD F3 (A and B) in iconic “Warbonnet” red-and-silver passenger livery.
    • Santa Fe EMD F7 (A and B) in two blue-and-yellow freight liveries.
    • Santa Fe EMD GP7 in original black and silver livery and multiple variations.
    • Santa Fe EMD GP7 in blue and yellow livery and multiple variations.
    • Santa Fe GPB cabless booster in blue and yellow livery.
    • Santa Fe EMD GP35 in original blue and yellow livery.
    • Santa Fe General Electric U28CG in “Warbonnet” red-and-silver livery.
    • Santa Fe El Capitan Hi-Level streamlined passenger consist.
    • Santa Fe Ce-1 caboose in standard and rebuilt configurations and multiple liveries.
    • Eleven types of authentic freight rolling stock in multiple liveries and variations including Santa Fe, Burlington Route, Northern Pacific, and Great Northern liveries.
    • Freight equipment includes 40- and 50-foot boxcars; 89-foot auto box; 89-foot piggyback flat; 40- and 50-foot Airslide covered hoppers; two styles of three-bay covered hoppers; 70-ton open-top hopper; and 1960s-era tank car.
    In some respects, TSW is still the poor cousin of the franchise.
     
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  39. akstorlied#2840

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    I hope the F7 comes with passenger cars also.................................
     
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  40. Blacknred81

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    To a point, most of that stock was reused old content with a fresh coat of paint. The only new loco was the U28CG, which was sub par compared to the same model produced by a different 3rd party years ago.
     
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    Well, so will the ATSF F7...
     
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    Difference being that the TSC pack had enough reused stuff to somewhat make a realistic Era on routes that weren't made for it.

    This Santa Fe F7 will most likely only have the F7, in 1 paint scheme, 1 boxcar, and maybe a caboose. Which really doesn't add much to the experience of Cajon....
     
  43. antony.henley

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    Nothings been officially announced and someone's already gone for the Cash grab routine.

    /marks "CashGrab" off the bingo card

    Hentis
     
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    Oh, I'm sure you're correct.

    Actually, I have no problem with reskins, but the essence of my post is the large number and variety of content in the pack compared to what is usually offered in TSW, which, by the way, is no stranger to reused/repainted stock.
     
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    I feel like for TSW, they need to put these packs on the backburner until they have enough content to fill out a timetable in the proper era. Otherwise, it will just feel bland and out of place.
     
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    Am I not wrong though? I feel like time would be better spent on new loco DLC vs reusing locos in a pack with content spread across 3 countries.

    If DTG had actually made us the CRR GP7 some of us had asked for, DTG could of possibly squeeked out a 50s era timetable for Cajon Pass with ATSF GP7/9 with the F7.

    New locos now, work on expansion packs later.
     
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    Wait you are saying its already hidden in the timetables behind what we assume is a paywall?
     
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    Agreed in principle. But, since we'll probably never get a "Diesel Legends " style pack for Cajon, we might as well enjoy driving the iconic F7 on a long desert route where it can stretch its legs.
     
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    Possible this could all be added to the original New Journeys pack when it gets ported over from TSW2?

    I suspect the uptake for the original pack wasn't stellar, so bulking it out with goodies for all six of the TSW2/3 base routes would be more of an incentive for people who hadn't bought it yet.
     
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    We dont know any details at all about it so how can it be a cash grab??

    It could be a cheap way to get hold of the F7 if you dont own Clinchfield for example
     
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