New Uk Route/s Speculation

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  1. smugstarlord#4202

    smugstarlord#4202 Well-Known Member

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    So 2 new UK routes have been announced on the roadmap. 1 by DTG, the other by 4rd party. So, let's speculate what they are.....
     
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  2. Suryaaji#2369

    Suryaaji#2369 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not very familiar with UK stuffs to be honest. But it would be nice if one of those routes is East Coast Mainline. What do you think guys?
     
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  3. jcalmann

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    Since they both are using AC, im thinking the Dovetail one is West coast Mainline. But I'm happy to see any AC routes tbh
     
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  4. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    That's probably going to be ats (Alan thomson sim) that just joined tsw since they have the expertise in those routes
     
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  5. Woroszyl The NS 2000

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    Hoping for WCML Preston to Carlisle.
     
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  6. British rail fan

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    I hope it's rugby to Crewe wcml Trent valley
     
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  7. derek#2931

    derek#2931 Well-Known Member

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    I’m gonna take a hit that the rivet one is ether Edinburgh to Glasgow
    Argyll line
    Or something English idk XD
     
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  8. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    I am hoping for something ECML but...
    I have a strange feeling one of the routes will be Scottish and the other something like the GEML.
     
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  9. gwrfan#3416

    gwrfan#3416 Well-Known Member

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    They said the rivet games uk route GBB-R7 would only have diesels and electric traction so I think it will be set maybe on the east coast mainline due to them both using the traction and I think the other route is an steam route which I hope to be the south devon mainline with avocet line.
     
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  10. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    GBB R7 BB means electric AC so it means ECML London to Peterborough and WCML Glasgow Carlisle or Over Shap
     
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  11. jesstrains

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    I think the DTG could be London - Birmingham perhaps?

    Matt's reaction when the upcoming route was mentioned seemed pretty more excited than previously, and possibly suggested that TSW is taking a step in a new direction and a route the size of WCML London to Birmingham would certainly be a step of progress for TSW. Furthermore, with DTG having the licensing for Avanti WC and the West Midlands franchises.

    Anyhow that's just my opinion and my reasoning behind it.
     
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  12. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    I have the upmost respect for Matt but to be totally honest I think he would have been that excited if it was another 3rd rail electrostarfest.
    Of course I do hope there is something new and exciting like the ECML but am not getting my hopes too high.
     
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  13. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    I think the rivet one will be a Scottish route because rivet have been hinting at making their local route and a class 385 for quite a while. I really hope that's what it is. On the other hand, I would love to see the WCML with trains like Pendilinos and Voyagers. I have all ready posted a thread on the pottential new Scottish route but let me know your thoughts
     
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  14. oakleymoss#1362

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    If we are getting the ECML, I hope it is set during the BR era as then could drive the 55s.. The ECML was electrified between 1976 and 1991 and the 55s were fully withdrawn by 1982 however, if we were to get the 91, then the route would be need to be set between today and 1988 (6 years after the withdrawal of the Deltics)
     
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  15. elarthur

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    Both routes are AC overhead electric according to the codes provided.
    It seems that Rivet will be doing a Scottish route including Partick station.
    As for DTG's route, it could be one of many with no hints currently available, but unlikely to be something with Electrostars as there are only a few classes of the type with AC only power collection. I suspect it could be a WCML route but we'll see.
    Lastly, I cannot wait to see what Just Trains and Alan Thompson Simulation bring to the franchise when the time comes.
     
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  16. kanamechidori#8728

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    Hoping for the Great Eastern Mainline & a Scottish Route
     
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  17. drnicktgm#1259

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    I hope it's a route with the class 800
     
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  18. simontreanor81

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    And/or via Birmingham
     
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    The image posted by Rivet - if it is related to TSW - locks it to some combination of the North Clyde and Argyle lines, which I’d love to see.
     
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  20. abz#7948

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    I’m hoping it’s the wcml south (London to Birmingham) or the Geml (London to Norwich) maybe even the ecml (London to Newcastle) I’m really really hoping it’s the wcml.A cool addition could be the Elizabeth Line though.
     
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  21. elarthur

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    Many of us like the idea of the Elizabeth Line but DTG seem reluctant to revisit the GWE route in any way even though much more could be done with it in terms of updating, extending and dlc locomotives. I therefore doubt it will be Crossrail unless they feel it a fitting tribute to the late monarch albeit a bit late now.
     
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  22. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    I get your point but please remember it takes time to build a train never mind a whole route. They are more likely to do WCML or ECML because that has been asked for alot even before her majesty died
     
  23. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    Would love to see ECML, though I don't think it will be likely they will do London to Newcastle as it's about 270 miles. If they ever do it, it will more likely be London to Peterborough, which is about 75 miles, though I am hoping for Peterborough to York.
     
  24. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    I hope the Rivet one is Fife Circle/Ayshire Coast. I think the Dovetail one is WCML South. Ethier way both routes will be interesting
     
  25. lord everything

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    They are both modern routes, that's for certain
     
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  26. gwrfan#3416

    gwrfan#3416 Well-Known Member

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    This might just be me thinking this but when dovetail was making the codes and added the number near the end of it (an example 7 in GBB R7 02) which is the era it's set in they created their our (maybe they already had it) era system which goes from 1-7. Now what I'm going to say might be controversial but here me out, shouldn't they for the british route use the era system that british model raiwlayers use which goes from 1-11 (as seen below [table from hattons model railways]). This table is very specific and makes it easy to understand what was or is going on at the time the route is set. Like when it says it's set in era 7 (for dovetails era system) it says 2010 onwards without being specific, like is it when the railways were being rebuilt (2005-2015 [era 10]) or (2016 onwards [era 11)) as it makes it confusing for where we think or it is set as if it's 2016 onwards could it be an route that was recently electrified like midland mainline, great western mainline and etc. Which if it was would amke everything easier.

    Era
    YearsDefinition
    1
    1804 - 1874Pioneering
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    1875 - 1922Pre-Grouping
    3
    1923 - 1947The Big Four - (LMS, GWR, LNER & Southern)
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    1948 - 1956British Railways Steam - (Early Crest Livery)
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    1957 - 1966British Railways Steam - (Late Crest Livery)
    6
    1967 - 1971British Railways Corporate Blue - (Pre-TOPS)
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    1972 - 1982British Railways Corporate Blue - (Post-TOPS)
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    1983 - 1994British Rail Sectorisation
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    1995 - 2004Initial Privatisation
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    2005 - 2015Rebuilding of the Railways
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    2016 - 2026Current Era
     
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  27. jesstrains

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    I think another point to note is that the majority of players at this early stage, would prefer new content to increase variety before they start going back and updating/extending routes. So far majority of routes have been down south, such as SEHS, ECW, BML etc. With only 2 routes based in the North and in BR era, and one in Scotland. I think at the moment the North/Midlands are lacking in TSW and I hope that can be changed in the future.
     
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  28. jesstrains

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    You make a valid point but I feel the current era grading system DTG uses is a lot more simple and generalised
     
  29. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    We could also get a new Scottish route because the train we have is outdated and the route we have is not a main route and is small. I think Rivet games are currently working on a new Scottish route as well.
     
  30. lord everything

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    Rivet have hinted that it may well be a Scottish route, especially with a 385
     
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  31. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    I sure hope it has a Class 385, whatever it is. That would be great. The newest Scottish train in the game!
     
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  32. UnlimitedMagic

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    DTG one isn't giving any hint other than it being 2011+ and Overhead wires. I personally can only make some speculation when or if they release teasers images. This could be an extension aswell so we shouldn't leave that option out
     
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  33. kanamechidori#8728

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    nice to see some modern routes though
     
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  34. British rail fan

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    Probably a coincidence but they said a new route about 2 days after my suggestion and it uses the same electric system 25k volt overhead cables
     
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  35. GEML Ipswich is one of the best ever... or WMCL Trent Valley. Shap was delightful too as well as Peterborough. I felt Peterborough was a little bland though.
     
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  36. TSW Nathan

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    Could you provide a link to the suggestion?
     
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    Not sure how to send a link but it was rugby to Crewe wcml Trent valley
     
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  38. driverwoods#1787

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    That's good and if they want 105 miles then it's WCML Liverpool to Rugby via Tamworth the Trent Valley Line. To break that up it's WCML Liverpool Crewe 1958 modernized using the 1962 configuration 25kv 35 mi with WCML Trent Valley Rugby to Crewe 70 miles
     
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    Okay, I will see if I can find it
     
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    I live about 20 odd miles north of Peterborough and it is a real dump even the railway station isn't very inspiring. If I could I would shut my eyes every time I go through it. The ECML which runs through Peterborough is a route I would love to see a section of brought into the game.
     
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  41. oakleymoss#1362

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    I would also love to see the ECML.. I don't mind what section of the ECML as long as we get either York or King's Cross on said section..
     
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  42. bdlhouston#8691

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    I hope for the dtg route to be wcml, from glasgow central to carlisle or preston, and the rivet route to be the argyle line with the class 318 and 320
     
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  43. British rail fan

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    I think we need a wcml route with a class 390
     
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  44. gwrfan#3416

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    If it were the wcml would we get both versions of the class 350. Which are the class 350/0 (regular one) and three class 350/1 (which is dual voltage ac and dc plus does express) as it would be good to have some variety for class 350. Also the class 350=1 can be used on the brighton or any southern line as west midland trains did loan some to them in-between 2008 and 2009.
     
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    If they make the Class 350 they could re-use those sounds for making the Class 380 in Scottish routes
     
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  46. kanamechidori#8728

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    GEML Ipswich to London Liverpool Street is a great route lots of beautiful scenery and slowly urbanised as you make your way to London
     

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    My gut is saying Riviera with rivet doing a pacer…..
     
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    But it can't be, because it says AC electric.

    Rivet seem to want to do something around Scotland, especially with a 385. So probably Edinburgh/Glasgow.

    Could we be seeing Glasgow - Wemyss Bay? That's my guess.
     
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  49. kanamechidori#8728

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    Can't be Pacers because they've been removed from service because of the PRM Legislation
     
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    I would love to see Glasgow to Wemyss Bay, It's a route that I pass by almost every day and it has some of my favourite trains on the route. Ether way I hope we get the Class 380. 20220827_112226.jpg
     

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