If you have locomotives at the rear then they will contribute to recharging the brake - this was a change requested by the beta testers and specifically the railroad engineers in the group.
Thanks Matt, good to know, it makes sense. Do they also assist with applying the brakes or is it just recharging?
@ Dark Wolf: I've encountered this situation on other routes, including Southeastern High Speed and it's definitely demoralizing. Let's hope that someone from DTG sees these messages and moves those final stop markers -- this should be an easy fix, shouldn't it?
I didn't see it in the patch notes but they fixed the issue with the final stop marker on service Z-ELPSDG6-04. You can now reach it without going out of bounds. DW
You are mistaken, the air brake simulation has not been changed to be more arcade. All that was changed is that the service no longer starts with completely zero air in the system, so it doesn't take 15 minutes to recharge before going. This is actually more realistic than it was, as you wouldn't be given a train with completely dumped brakes. So it's still the same air simulation, you just don't have to wait 15 minutes before starting, as the train doesn't spawn entirely out of air.
Yesterday I tried the ES44C4 in Cajon Pass for the first time. Custom scenario from creators hub, but I don't think that can be the issue. As the train was moving with like 15mph on a 2.0 grade I decide to get up from the drivers seat and check the other locomotives (yes, while it was moving). I went to the 2nd and it seemed to be set up correctly so I wanted to go back to the lead. Turned out I could not walk back into the lead. I got stuck at the 2 steps on the side of the locomotive and could not get past that point into the cab Then I jumped off the train and determined that I could run faster than the train was moving, so I figured I try and enter it from the front. Again I could get on the train, open the outside and inside door, but could not pass the corridor into the upper part of the cab
For someone who thought "The rear indicator goes up to 90 immediately after releasing the brake." is because the air brake simulation changed to arcade style, you're wrong. The rear immediately goes up to 90 because now the rear DPU also charged the brake pipe, it's make us think the brake pipe charged at unrealistic laughable rate, but no, the rest of the train still charging up even though the rear and the front shows 90.
I have had the same problem, where an invisible wall develops, either in the front entrance, or the one behind the driver. This was using a downloaded livery in one of my own custom scenarios. I don't see how that could make a difference either, but perhaps it does? I would also note that I have not yet experienced a situation where both entrances are blocked, yet.
Is there anybody experiencing the same thing? Can you guys check it out? https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/es44c4-eot-move-indicator-doesnt-light-up.60570/
I think this may be related to giving up control of the train. Once you do that you can longer operate it as engineer. If you are driving and you leave your seat or the cab an eventual warning will come about giving up control that you have to answer. It's a very similar situation. Is it possible that the warning did not appear for you guys? Or that you missed it? And if it wasn't there I would assume that the act of leaving the seat equated to the same action by the game. Maybe? Perhaps?
Actually it is funny that you mention this. It caused me to remember that, one time, when I sat down again it DID ask if I wanted to take over the service. It was very odd because I was never asked to give up the service to begin with! So, you have jogged my memory and it does now sound like the player is being removed from the service with no warning. Now, the question is, is this related to custom liveries, custom scenarios, or something else?
I've had an issue with getting stuck in a moving ES44C4 as well. The first time I encountered that fog bug I got up from the drivers seat and went down to the front walkway to check visibility there and then could not get back up the stairs to the main level of the cab. I was able to eventually do it by crouching and standing over and over while moving forward and left and right towards the stairs. Took a bit of trying but it popped me back up. It sounds like this was supposed to have been fixed in the last patch? [ES44C4] Fixed issues relating to player getting stuck in a moving train. DW
Yes after testing in the CSX route I found it to be unchanged. Multiple locotrol locomotives through the consist have confused me but realistically they do charge the brake pipe faster.
Or they just kinda reversed it. I don't get stuck IN the moving train, I just can't get back into the cab
There is an odd issue on the section between Barstow and Victorville that interferes with the movement of the Boom Camera. Normally when using the Boom Camera and you are zoomed out completely it looks like this from the side : But what happens along some of this section is the camera moves in really close when you rotate to the side like there is an invisible wall close beside the tracks on either side. How limiting it is varies, sometimes you stuck this close : This is the area where the above shot was taken : Hopefully they can remove this limitation in that area so its like the rest of the route. DW
I did this service today and didn’t get the out of bounds message. I stopped 33ft early but from these reports the out of bounds happens well before that. But I was able to complete the service. I’ve not read an update note that this has been fixed but I have a theory… This may be two bugs cancelling each other out. I did the service entirely in external cameras and when I have done that on longish services in the past and then tried to return to the driver camera it doesn’t allow me and the driver character is also missing from the cab, as if the game has forgotten I’m there. So potentially I didn’t get the out of bounds because my player character wasn’t in the cab to actually go out of bounds (even though I’m still in control of the train). On some occasions after driving for an extended period in external cameras the game will crash when I attempt to go back to the cab. This has been a longstanding issue in TSW but I’ve never made a formal bug report about it as it hard to pin down exactly what’s happening, how long I have to be in external cameras for it to happen and whether it results in me being stuck in external cameras or experiencing a crash. Here, it may have allowed me to drive out of bounds and get to the finish marker.
Something I've noticed, but the foliage around the route is very different depending on what part of the route you are on. From Barstow to Victorville, its decent and does represent the area quite well. Once you get to the area around the actual pass however, it just completely falls off. Not sure why, but I assume maybe it was quickly done to meet TSW3's deadline to release, would be nice if a later patch could improve it so the shrubbery in the bottom pics look alot closer to the top pic.
I have developed a steady rejection of the SD40-2 on the route. I do not think that I have preconceived requirements for the quality of the locomotive. I have a hard time accepting its texture quality. Very similar to a cheap repaint from TC. I compare it with a Sand Patch Grade locomotive and admit that it is of much lower quality. It seems that it was sculpted in haste from improvised material in a very short time. It also seems to me that it has a very bright (poisonous) orange color, which needs to be slightly muffled. I'm wondering if I'm the only one experiencing this feeling?
When travelling from Victorville to Barstow there is a level crossing where the whistle board appears to be way too close to the actual crossing. Its at this location : Its this one on the south side, the whistle board on the north approach seems to be spaced right. DW
I pasted together this screenshot to illustrate, standing at the boards on either side of the crossing (making sure the map zoom was the same) you can see the spacing is quite lopsided. I think the distance to the northern boards are consistent with the rest of the route but that southern one is conspicuously close. DW
Got TSW3 recently, the ugliness of the american close trackside scenery never fails to amaze me. The distant scenery is quite good on the route, but funnily enough, the area you spend 100% of your time in, around the railroad tracks, is almost always completely empty, just barebone repeating-pattern textures. How comes the distant scenery looks better than the one you're actually supposed to be in? And also, what the hell is this? First time I noticed something like this was on Clinchfield, but how is terrain like this still accepted right alongside the tracks? Something is really wrong with how US routes are built in TSW.
I love Cajon Pass in TSW3. It is amazing quality. But hey if you don't like it go and play Train Simulator Classic. I'm sure you'll love it!!! LOL
Well my rear wasn't on I think and it charged up too fast. No flow meter either. It is 0 on the SD-70.... Sherman Hill. Long train down a grade that is mountain. Rear says 70PSI even I have units on the back. So I think DTG has a little ways to go before it can be like a real train. I don't know why Railroads aren't using this to teach their trainee enginemen.....??
I mean, Kujus Cajon Pass from 2008 has better ground textures than DTGs TSW3 version, so yeah.... And both are inferior to Cajon Alpha.
I tend to play both, as each game has their advantages and disadvantages. I do prefer to play TSW, as the controls and HUD are much better and it runs smoother than TSC as well (due to TSC's old game engine not utilizing every CPU core properly). But TSC has more variety, including japanese routes and other stuff that I really like. Route quality wise it all depends on route building. If both a TSC and a TSW route are built with the same quality, the TSW route will be better, simply due to the higher quality assets and better graphics thanks to the modern game engine. But the sad truth is, most TSW routes are built with less care to detail than TSC routes are. Less accuracy, more empty spots, reused assets, etc. And this is amplified by the fact that such shortcomings will be more obvious in a modern game engine with better graphics. I mean a big plain empty patch of grass in TSC is something that you more easily accept, as it's an old game with a 10+ years old game engine. But the same thing in an Unreal Engine game in 2022? That's ugly.
Some more beauties from my run the other day. A big hole in the ground right alongside the tracks. Really? And could we have the track ballast at least be the same color as the ground ballast texture underneath? Totally ruins the visuals through the whole run. I mean seriously, what is this? Looks like someone built this using Kato Unitrack model railway tracks. And to top it off, I am just going to leave this screenshot here. Beautiful skies, then... whatever that is going on below the horizon.
This is a problem in the entirety of the game, something really needs to be done to smoothen the transition.
I disagree. Track ballast is as varied and differently applied as many other things in the world. And, it is not the same as the "ground ballast texture underneath". I've seen stretches of track that have many different sections of different ballast types and colours, and since it sits atop the ground base, it always stands out. Based on real world examples I find this concern to be nonsensical at best. I do agree though that in the one image the tracks looks like Kato Unitrack on some kids layout who has not yet applied any scenery materials. This absolutely should be "fixed" or filled in with more ballast or weeds or something.
But at least some routes manage to get it right and the ballast matches, so it looks pretty good. Depends. Newly laid track will look somewhat similar to this, as the dividing line between track ballast is still sharp and the ballast will still have the original shape. But as time goes on, old ballast falls to the sides, making the edges smoother and creating a more natural blend between the tracks and the ground. And it's clear they are trying to recreate this effect, as they put ballast textures on the ground underneath the tracks, except it's not matching in color, making it look bad. While in comparison, some other routes, especially british ones, make a pretty good job to blend the two together. As for the shape of the ballast standing out, it also depends. Track ballast in yards and at stations tends to be flat and even, something which the game often forgets to recreate.
I don't disagree with these points, but I still hold that the variety is not "wrong" Just needs a little a tweaking. To me it is a minor annoyance and just a fact of the game's parameters at the moment. Perhaps in future the scenic devs will pay closer attention.
Well yeah, for starters if it simply matched the ground texture undeneath, it would be good. All they need to do is match the colors, which is not that big of a task (plenty of routes already do that successfully).
The thing is, IRL ballast often doesn't match the ground texture. It's brought in and dumped by MOW trains and may have been quarried hundreds of miles away. What I find most annoying about the ballast (often) in game is the hard dividing line which gives it that model-railway look; it should blend in as the gravel tends to slide down and spread out unevenly. This would be easy enough to do with judicious use of transparencies.
I agree. I and others pointed out this " model railway " look on sections of Cajon Pass when it was first released. And you are right that it just needs a little extra effort to get it more realistic. There are other examples of this rather lazy approach to track work around the game. But there are also plenty of examples where the artist spent the time to get it right. This is really a QA matter, as are so many scenery issues.
Issue Summary: Vehicle traffic (cars) drive through each other Platform: PC Game Mode: Timetable Route Name: Cajon Pass Loco Name: F7A Santa Fe Service/Scenario Name + Start Time: M-HOULAC6-05 Manifest from Houston to Los Angeles Step-by-Step Instructions: highway along Victorville track has stopped vehicles; cars drive through each other or are embedded in each other +Screenshots +Video Links
The lack of ballast transition is only exaggerated by the TSW3 lighting which can make some ground textures horrendously impossibly reflective in a manner which exaggerates the difference between them and the ballast and draws the eye to it.
Yep. On some routes the actual track ballast and the terrain ballast texture under them are at least matching and there is a dividing line only when sunlight shines on it. But on Cajon Pass the ballast textures don't match to begin with, so it looks bad either way.
Greetings. I have already encountered a problem several times when descending from the pass - the dynamic brakes are not activated on the tail locomotives, despite the fact that the function "communication with the pushing locomotive" is active for me. As a result, it is impossible to keep the train only by the forces of the head locomotives. Does anyone know a solution to this problem?
