A Few Suggestions From A Real Train Driver In Germany

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  1. Blovu

    Blovu New Member

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    I have two suggestions about entire Train Sim World, not just Train Sim World 3. What annoys me is
    1) In all the tutorials about every new route or new loco, there is the same. You get told how to accelerate and how to break the train and that "Roll the train out is important to keep the engine heal" and stuff, what you know when you already played two tutorials. It's not false to keep those tutorials for beginners, but I would wish that there were more complicated tutorials too.
    Like when I want to drive the trains from other countries than Germany, I really do not know how to deal with the train but to accelerate and break. There are no instructions how to deal with the complicated train safety systems like AWS and stuff and how to activate them. Often, I just create a scenario and drive with German trains at the routes because I know how to deal with everything from the train, but than it is boring without other KI trains crossing you.
    2) There is a mistake about the route "Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr". There is a speed limit of 140kmph after the train station "Wattenscheid" on the route where was 160kmph before. But in real life, this is not there. And the stupidest thing about this is that the board of 140kmph is just there, placed for no reason, without a warning one kilometer before and there is not board that tells you that you are allowed to drive 160kmph again when the game HUD tells you so.
    But thanks for delivering Train Sim World 3 anyways, I really enjoy it
     
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  2. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    In terms of more complex tutorials like with pzb and other safety systems, it is just too complicated to make it into a short tutorial on how to understand the signals and how to use pzb and what to do, etc. There's just too much to teach that it would be an information overload for certain people.

    However, it would be great if they could do it. It's more possible with afb, aws, sifa since it's mostly just pressing a button.
     
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  3. eldomtom2

    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    Great logic - it's too complicated to bother explaining at all. Very logical!
     
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  4. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Here you go. Yo won’t get a better in depth tutorial but don’t expect a five min view. I watched this once and haven’t had the UI up since.

     
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    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    I am fairly certain a properly designed tutorial could be much shorter than that.
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    But then you have to account for every variation, etc since not every service is the same, signals may look different, signals being different for each route and such. Pzb isn't something you can master in a single day and definitely would be difficult to describe every single thing in a 20-30 minute tutorial.
     
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    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    Yet it is possible to summarise everything important in a two hour video?
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    It could be possible to summarize it. But with how complex pzb and signalling is, different types/variations there are, certain situations, it might be difficult. You also have to master the signals and what they mean. It might cause confusion or just be an information overload. In 1 of the tutorials for skw I think, it talked about a little bit of pzb and stuff but it was difficult to understand and pay attention to what's on the screen. And sometimes it would be out of sync with where you are. You would be at the next signal but the voiceover was still explaining what the previous signal meant making it difficult to follow along. Pzb is such a dense topic and requires a ton of practice to master, so a simple tutorial wouldn't really work.
     
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    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    Again, it causes far more confusion not explaining them at all!
     
  10. antwerpcentral

    antwerpcentral Well-Known Member

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    Why would it be too complicated? It's a train simulator. When I started TSW2 I was surprised it was so easy to drive a train. But then I noticed YouTubers had, for me none yet seen icons, in their hud. Then I found out there were safety systems. I looked for some advanced tutorials in TSW but could not find them. In TSW3 there is a tutorial for these on the German route. I followed the tutorial and now I know how to use them. Video games are the best tutorials to teach stuff.
     
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    At the beginning, it was difficult for me to get my head around some things of PZB which are, in my opinion, a bit counter-intuitive. But there is excellent training material. In addition to Matt's video, I would recommend that everyone who really wants to dive into this stuff reads the pages on TF Ausbildung (with Google Translate for non German speakers).

    https://www.tf-ausbildung.de/BahnInfo/pzb90.htm
     
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