New British Routes Speculation

I would love a 390 Pendilino! Such a fantastic train, and it's the 3rd fastest train in the uk
Class 374
Class 395
Class 390
Fastest-Slowest trains operating in the uk

 

Like said before. They wouldn't go to so much effort to make a whole train just to sit static. I would love to have the train in the game but it's probably not going to happen

 

There was a class 91 91110 (or 91010 before renumbering) which went just over 160mph and although there were plans I don't remember or can find any records of a pendolino beating this. The speed of 160mph would put the 91s in 2nd place and 395s in 3rd place with their top speed of only 157 mph.

 

It did work a handful of scheduled services. I believe for a short time there was 1 scheduled return Euston-Glasgow each day. However, like you, my primary interest in it is that it would mean we were in the right era for a tap-changer electric!

However, I always think the most sensible thing for DTG to do would be to re-create part of the West Coast in a year between 2002 and 2005. That way the modern traction fans could have their Pendolino, and the traditional traction fans could have an 87. I feel sympathy for DTG trying to please people with such a diversity of interests, but placing the era in a cross-cover period like this seems the ideal solution.

However, if licensing does indeed prohibit anything in the Virgin era, maybe BR era with an 87 and an APT is the solution (although if it were down to me it would be an 87 and an 86!)

 

We haven’t had any trains set in that 00s time period, have we? I suppose it’s harder to licence defunct companies. Still, would love to see a Virgin train, especially a Pendolino.

The issue I see with modern-day the WCML route is that Avanti are totally screwed. Not only is public opinion just so against them right now, they’ve got a deadline to fix their problems or they’ll lose the license. If DTG really want to make the WCML, wouldn’t it be a better idea to either set it during the Virgin era (or perhaps the BR one, though I’m personally not a fan of those set around that time, dunno why) or maybe just wait until Avanti either sort out their problems or lose the license all together. At least if they do make the WCML and Avanti lose their license, it should be easy to bring it up to date using the Livery Designer (plus, in the scenario where Avanti are no longer the operator of the line it would actually be more accurate in the early stages to have some Avanti trains still running as refurbishment goes on.)

Also, Avanti liveries are ugly, really ugly.

 

As I've said previously, setting routes in the BR Classic blue era gets round the licensing issue. In fact didn't one of the WCML routes for TSC come with a Pendie in a fictional LMS/early BR maroon livery?

 

From my regular experiences commuting with West Midland Railways that could apply to the complete to the complete DLC! My experience is the Snow Hill lines but from what I understand the Cross City isn't much better.

 

The first TSC Pendolino came in LMS livery and I think maybe a couple of other fantasy ones. It didn't come with a route. I think WCMLN was the only WCML route at the time, it was quite an early release. There was fairly soon a reskin on UKTS for it into Virgin livery.

 

Why are we assuming that Virgin or most former franchise holders for that matter won’t want to have their defunct trains licensed?

 

They had the NWC pulled because of it, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for VT stuff. I am not sure all members realise how much of an issue licensing is. Very possible there will be some TOCs and types of train that are never seen for these reasons. Older BR stuff has far less of these issues because only one organisation has to be dealt with. I imagine DB being so big in German ops has helped the German DLC be developed so well. The fact we have a relatively small railway system with many different companies operating means some serious hurdles for developing to jump through. I suspect that impacts on what information can be released in the run up also.

 

I couldn’t be happier for Cross City, it’s one of my favourite routes in TSC (with the exception of 323 sounds, thankfully a sound patch sorted that out) but navigating the complex junctions round Birmingham is enjoyable, adverse signals, plenty of AI, that does just need to be translated in to TSW3.

My favourite section is actually New Street-Lichfield Trent Valley simply because of the approach to Birmingham at Proof House Junction and frequent station calls and Barnt Green - Bromsgrove, simply giving the 323 a good run. Five Ways/University area is nice running alongside the canals too.

 

What’s NWC and what happened to it? Not too familiar with railsims other than TSW.

 

Whilst I’m looking forward to this route, I do fear that it’ll only be shipped with the Class 323 (and perhaps the RHTT as a layer) which translates into boring green light runs from A - B.

Birmingham New Street will no doubt look and feel like a ghost town.

 

North Wales Coast, it had Virgin and Arriva trains. It has been re released for TSC now with the latest incumbent operators present.

 

I saw a Facebook post in the week stating that it MIGHT be the cross city line with 323s, this is all well and good but it has to include some of the Midlands also with 172s in my opinion such as dorridge/whitlocks end to Stourbridge or Kidderminster

 

I think I‘ve caught up with all the posts I missed. This is the rough situation/timeline if I‘m understanding everything correctly, with some personal speculation mixed in:

• DLC 1: Birmingham Cross City Line with BR Class 323 (Trophies leaked already, route announcement before the next roadmap according to DTG. Release within the next few weeks? Likely a DTG route due to its complexity.)
• DLC 2: DTG German or Rivet UK route (Content depot already has a file size, so release might not be too far away (late 2022/early 2023)?)
• DLC 3: DTG German or Rivet UK route (Content depot does not have a file size yet, spring 2023 perhaps?)
• DLC 4: DTG US Loco DLC (Content depot does not have a file size yet, but has been updated together with Boston Sprinter multiple times. Amtrak Acela or Avelia Liberty? Spring 2023?)

 

If we are speaking about Birmingham Cross City Line, the first mastery level's reward (atleast the letter R) can be used right now in the livery designer. So, new font will be part of the mastery rewards.

 

Update on that: here's a test livery made by me just to show it for y'all.
update: the image went missing, huh?

 

Ahh, clears it up. Thanks!

 

If rivet/dtg are gonna make the Birmingham Cross City line (most likely) is it possible that perhaps the WCML could be the other tsw route since they both meet at New Street. WCML has already been done in tsc so it could be easier to make. The loco-add-on could be a class 350, 377/2 - please not, or a 319 depending on when the route is said. I just hope dovetail releases more than one sub-class of a train and more than one type of new train for the route. For example, only releasing 390/1 for WCML and not the 390/0. It's very frustrating and it makes the routes feel less realistic and less busy in terms of the number of trains.

One more thing - why do DTG stations always like so bland and empty compared to real life? They usually look very odd in-game.

In game above ^

Irl above ^

 

Ahh, livery designer reminds me of Trainz paintshed which was another complete waste of time. I wouldn't be surprised if DTG use existing game locos and give them new train operator liveries to beef up the emptiness of BCC hence the post here Busier Or More Accurate Timetables? | Dovetail Games Forums

 

Must admit I've never dabbled with livery creator and even the scenario planner in its current limited state I rarely touch. If we're going to have "rewards" then they need to be something more tangible - like a 50p coupon to spend on TSW or TSC content from the Steam store!

 

Lol. Sorry, I didn't realize

 

I'm afraid your right and it will just be like cathcart. Let's hope your wrong

 

I would have all the mastery done within a week if that were to be the case!

 

Agreed there. Mastery needs to be not always decals + special route scenery, it needs to also be something like special livery on a train + special route scenery, etc.

 

Not until they allow you to choose which liveries appear on which routes. If they include a retro livery as an unlockable (which would be really cool, like a Connex 465 or a FGW 166), they should allow you to enable or disable those liveries.

 

Not a bad idea…

 

God forbid that.

 

I'm please that the route features Birmingham New Street. Can't understand why DTG like to keep these routes secret though. I would of thought engaging with the community might throw up some mistakes etc but oh well.

I still haven't bought TSW3 as I didn't want any of the routes bundles with it but if they bundled this route with TSW3 I could be tempted. Not sure if this route is DTG or Rivet but I really hope it is busy and has more than one train. Is there any hint on what the other UK route could be?

 

Seeing as it’s being made by Rivet, I have a high feeling it’ll be some sort of modern commuter Scottish route.

 

Yup!
In my opinion: Switch around the mastery level rewards. Level 1 now awards you the scenery asset, and Level 2 gives you the decals. This way, people who don’t care about Livery Designer (presumably a wide majority of the players) don’t have to unlock the decal rewards first to get to the scenery assets (which actually improve the route).

 

If you look close enough, you might be in for a surprise

 

… I mean, I can see a bear.

 

If you are talking about passengers, probably cuz bml doesn't have rush hour passengers. If it's the assets, then it's probably time limitations or they don't have assets or are able to see what the placement of objects looks like irl. They use like google maps and photos and stuff and they might be different from in real life. Like the exact position of everything, etc. If it's the colors, then it's down to the lighting that isn't that great or shadows, graphics, etc. There will always be inaccuracies and some places will feel odd lol

 

I wonder what the Rivet Games Route will be?
I think it'll be in Scotland.
Maybe Glasgow to Alloa via Stirling?

 

Thought it has been hinted at 25kv AC overhead. Which in all likelihood means North Clyde or part thereof or, God help us, modern Queen Street to Edinburgh.

 

A modern Edinburgh to Glasgow via Falkirk wouldn't be too bad, as long as they don't remix the Class 395 sounds onto a Class 385.

 

My understanding is that they've teased it will include a Class 385 and Partick station - make of that what you will.

 

Ehhh, not my cup of tea. I know other people wanted to see more ScotRail though, so this seems like a good move.

 

Another empty route potentially unless the 314 is used....

I was thinking about Cathcart Circle recently and realised had they set it mid to late 80s it could have had 47s on hauled trains and 101s on suburban stuff 100% correct for the era and the 314 could have been in Orange/Black or Blue Grey. This constant desire for recent years meant the route came out and feels ridiculous in the Glasgow Central area.

 

The station image is from TS. They constantly post those old WIP-images around.

And someone proposed the Class 385, and as for each proposition they answered they would love to make it.

No real teaser there.

 

Cathcart is a bit of a ghost town, I pop back to it occasionally but it reminds me as a kid of having a trainset, a loop and only one train. Short lived fun.....

 

The runs out to Neilston and Newton are slightly better but the loop itself is like doing a bus service. At least with Cross City as I said previously there are a few opportunities to get a bit of speed up. Even the old Tynemouth Loop either DMUs or Metro has stations further apart than Cathcart!

 

I think the most important thing that I hope they include and dont overlook it is a fully working GSMR radio!!!

Hentis

 

I’m looking forward to New Street, but it’s going to look barren with only the WMR trains. I pray they add some CrossCountry stock (plus the Wolverhampton branch to give it a reason to exist) just to make it come alive. Heck, I’d even take some unlicensed XC-esque stuff so it doesn’t feel as empty as it well might.

 

Doubt it to be honest. And i would also prefer that the PS5 DLC limit for TSW 3 is finished and released before anymore DLC is rleased, but that aint gonna happen.

Hentis

 

Oh I doubt it too, but a man can dream.

 

Hello, what do we have here...

Definitely looks like a Class 323 under that sheet. The big question is though, what livery will it be in? The old London Midland or the new West Midlands Railway?.

Source: https://twitter.com/trainsimworld/status/1587097298374369281?cxt=HHwWgoCx2bClwIYsAAAA

 

West Midlands Railway Class 323 confirmed!