Upcoming Release Master The West Midlands!

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  1. DTG JD

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    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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  3. MYG92

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    Can’t wait to see the preview especially the sounds I’m kinda skeptical about it
     
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  4. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    Well at least the route is not in the South of England and doesn't have Electrostars. Although the route was already leaked in the steam achievements which kinda spoiled the suprise Hopefully the sounds are good.

    Although Birmingham New Street will be a ghost town with only one train.
     
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  5. carlanthony24

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    Hope the sounds are up to scratch
     
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    Any news on what rivet are releasing for the uk?
     
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  7. junior hornet

    junior hornet Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, what a surprise. How did you keep this a secret? Oh wait…. :D
     
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  8. argyle_smurf

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    I have worries after seeing only one unit in all the images. I dread the image of New Street looking as deserted and forlorn as New York Penn, and I'm really worried that's what we're gonna get
     
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  9. MYG92

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    Nothing at the moment
     
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  10. Krazy

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    New UK route… must… consume…
     
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  11. marcsharp2

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    Oooh nice. Can't wait for this. I just hope there is AI traffic on the route though as Birmingham New Street is incredibly busy
     
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  12. Nick Y

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    I hope they've done a better job with the class 323 for TSW3 than they did for Cross City Line on TSC. The sounds were all wrong and there were several other bugs with the route that still haven't been sorted yet.

    Also, Birmingham new street will appear dead due to no Voyagers, HSTs, Pendolino etc and without those branded XC, Avanti etc.
     
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  13. yes a great route but 1 loco come one we need a 2nd here
     
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  14. tallboy7648

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    I mean with only one train, there can only be so much traffic but that shouldn't be a dealbreaker
     
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    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    We're aiming to put together an article next week which talks about layers and services.
     
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  16. carlanthony24

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    Class 150 layer
     
  17. matt#4801

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    What a shock I never expected BCC!;)
    I must admit I am slightly disappointed but at least we're away from the southeast and electrostars and as long as you can pull it of I will be going for that buy button. Please though DTG get the sounds right and if the screenshots so far are anything to go by this could be one of your best routes albeit a bit empty.
     
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  18. Greyhound

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    I’m honestly so excited this route is coming to TSW! I love the Class 323. Can’t wait to see what layers and services come with it. Hopefully we get DLC in the future for new traction on the route to make everywhere seem busier.
     
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    Is that a headcode I see on the GSMR? Automatic or player entered I wonder?
     
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  20. OldVern

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    Well all pretty much as expected.

    I think this will be a Day 1 purchase particularly if there is a pre order discount.

    However some disappointment that given the scope of more recent routes we are not getting a more extensive West Midlands network - Walsall, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Worcester etc. Can we get confirmation that at least Soho Depot is included?
     
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  21. Brendan Millea

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    Looks really good!!
     
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  22. paulossj4

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    What does this starter pack mean?
     
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  23. ARuscoe

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    Most of the TSW3 routes are quite sparse scenery wise. At least with this you'll get a lot of scenery to look at (ie Birmingham)
     
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    Wondering how many locos will be at new street at peak
     
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  25. frabjousvector

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    OK, I’ll take that. Shame about the lack of other trains, a repainted HST would have been nice but oh well.
     
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  26. Greyhound

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    I like the fact the GSM-R has information on it. Would have been nice if the Class 350 was included too.
     
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  27. Bradley

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    Omg I am so surprised…… not, route looks nice but quite interested in sounds as the TSC was well bad
     
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    Good points:

    - Lighting looks great again
    - 323 looks good, some nice weathering on the lid
    - Station detail looks pretty good I think?

    Concerns (not going to call them 'bad points' as they could all be addressed):

    - No images of New Street in the initial promo screenshots even though it's by far the biggest station and a highlight on the route.
    - The iconic noise as the 323 pulls away is heavily masked in the teaser trailer - hopefully this is nothing to worry about
    - No mention of Soho EMU depot or any other track mileage
    - No mention of any freight services or Camp Hill line
    - I can't see any way that this isn't going to be an extremely quiet route given the lack of rolling stock
    - As such a busy route, shouldn't we be seeing Rush Hour passengers on the platforms?

    As I've said elsewhere, this is a really strange choice of route and unfortunately until more layering content is released I fear this will expose TSW's weaknesses with regard to the timetable mode.
     
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    What this needs is a Freight locomotive otherwise there is no helper service over the Lickey Incline. Time to bring in a Class 70 rather than Class 66.
    Stronger than a Class 66 and make it unassisted up the incline the Class 60

    When it comes to tractive force 91k lbf Class 66 vs 109k lbf Class 60. Therefore this is the perfect route to introduce class 60 with the trade off of 2k hp less than Class 66 but gain more tractive force over the 66.
     
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  30. Disintegration7

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    Really my biggest concerns are sounds and the emptyness of the route. Otherwise it sounds interesting.

    Will there be any freight?

    What existing trains could possibly layer in?
     
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    Why cant an article be put together this week? Or infact already for publishing?
    You have a roadmap this week and to be honest now that you've wet our appetite for the BCC route people are going to have to wait another week before the article and then when the road map comes in on Thursday bang ev eryones gonna be demanding information on the new route. Sometimes you really don't help yourselves!!
    This would be be best time to have an article ready and post it while everyone is hooked on the news.
    Its looks ok but without sufficient details then yeah we are going to get the 1000 & 1 questions where we will have to wait a week to find out.

    Hentis
     
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  32. RailFan97

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    This looks brilliant, can't wait to play. DTG JD Any chance you can confirm whether Soho depot is included?
     
  33. tallboy7648

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    The only trains that can really be a layer that I can think of is a Class 66. The RHTT Class 66 and perhaps a railtour train with the BR blue trains and perhaps the steam train.

    I don't expect every route to be busy so if this route isn't busy or has much traffic layer wise, that isn't a bad thing at all. I rather have realistic trains on a route instead of fake trains just to make a route busy
     
  34. DTG JD

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    It's the core game, plus Cross-City (like the German Starter Pack when we launched TSW3). Essentially a way new players can get into the game if they just want Cross-City.
     
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    Thought these type of announcements were interlinked within the Roadmap development blog.
     
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    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    We have the Roadmap on Thursday - there may be a couple of nice surprises in that too.
     
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    They've been moved out of being announced with Roadmaps.
     
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    That add-ons manager better be released for TSW 3 soon! I can’t exactly purchase this new route and enjoy the content that it includes if I physically can’t see it in my collection.
     
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    As far as I'm aware, it's not.
     
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    Last word we got is that its not even in testing yet so possibly not. We may find out more by Thursday.
     
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    Oh this brings a smile to my face! Finally a AC electric route with no Elecrostar, even better that it's a 323 which is one of my favourite trains!
     
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    maybe also for the German route? :D
     
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    Ah okay. Thanks for your message
     
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    Whatta let down route
     
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    That 20 second video told me nothing I didnt already know.
     
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    I feel this approach is going backwards in being transparent with the community. How can the live stream be only a few days from release there be very little time to point out issues/bugs before the release date.Or have I got it wrong and this is what the community wants.

    "10th of November to catch your first proper glimpse of Birmingham Cross-City Line, we will be confirming the time of this broadcast closer to the date."
     
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    For the tree enthusiasts ....That shot of the 323 over the single track bridge - new trees? They look v life like and much improved even though the originals were good enough! Great screenshot.
    Looking forward to this, but a shame if depot moves aren't included, they always add an extra bit of interest. Also, speed signs not improved by the look of it, to the correct font. Minor point though.
     
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    I'd be very intrigued to see what the services are, although as others allude to, beyond the obvious class 66. An earlier era would have allowed for most of the BR stock, but as it is, we're hoping for a painted HST or 150 or something new altogether.
     
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    If this is a full price TSW3 DLC at £29.99 then it will be a hard no from me. Not sure that I could even justify £19.99 for this if I'm totally honest let alone £24.99.

    Immediately this has been consigned to the wait and pick up in a big sale bin.
     
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    D-Stock as well I suppose
     

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