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Thank you for quoting this before it was censored so we can see what was written.

 

Maaan, can't wait some route for TSW from Union Workshop on Chinese or Japanese theme (time for break this triangle UK/USA/GER and in this game)))

 

It will be interesting. Would love to see a bullet train. Even a subway route would be great.

 

See my previous post for more details, but a Jubilee has taken Lickey unassisted in the past. As to how the Duchess and Castle compare to TSW3's Jubilee, they're both more powerful. The Duchesses are still Britain's most powerful steam engine, and are capable of producing over 3000 horspower in the cylinders. A GWR Castle has a power classification of 7, compared to the Duchess's 8 and the Jubilee's 6, so they're no slouch however they're more known for their speed than their power.

I think Leander's crack at Lickey in 2006 wasn't planned- a banking engine wasn't available so the driver thought he'd have a go. The Duchess and the Castle were both meant to go up unassisted, and you can see comparing the footage of their respective runs that they made lighter work of it than the Jubilee did, with the same load of 6 carriages. Leander looked for a moment like it might not make it up. So if they do have a railtour on BCC I think they should limit it to 6 coaches, and even then it would likely be a challenge.

 

Please no, 101 is like Electrostar all over again.

 

At least the 101s are more interesting to operate.

 

True but it would be nice to see one of the other 30 or so examples of first generation DMU's produced rather than DTG's the class 101 fits all stance. A class 116 would be ideal for the Cross City route.

 

Getting the class 101 to go is not an issue, its trying to get them stopped is the problem!!

 

Not in 2019, it wouldn't. They'd been gone a quarter of a century.

 

That's "justified" as a heritage railtour sort of thing

 

Two wrongs, don't make a right!

 

Is it, though? The F7 services are on the regular timetable carrying standard freight consists on modern rolling stock (albeit much shorter train lengths).

Sorry this one still bothers me- maybe at some point they'll release a "Cajon pass legends" pack with an alternative timetable and appropriate rolling stock to go with the F7. Would be a lot more rewarding for the player IMO.

 

100% agree with you mate I was just talking about 101 vs electrostar and I cannot wait for the day we see more 1st gen DMUs.

 

That's the fun of it though!

 

Oh I know, I was hoping someone from DTG might see it and get the hint

I know I was responding in context to another comment.

 

Ah right it would be very nice if dtg got the hint about having more 1st gen DMUs in game that's for sure.

 

As a minimum we need a 108 and 117, being among the last surviving classes in main line operation. But a retro pack for BCC featuring the 116 and maybe a bubble car would be a Day 1 purchase for me. I know the old stock in a modern setting is an anachronism but as with GWE I could live with it.

 

I like them

 

I sincerely do not believe DTG intend to produce another UK diesel heritage route. All indications point to maximising revenue by making only the most popular sales-wise, therefore modern routes. They were happy to experiment at the beginning which is why we saw the likes of NTP and Tees Valley, but I doubt we’ll see their ilk again.

 

Maybe a 108 or 117 as you say, however, the 101 at least was built by MCW..... In Birmingham so would be a natural train to have on the route.

 

Sadly I think you may be right. You would think if otherwise after 5 years or so by now we would have Class 50, 56, a Deltic and the routes to run them on. In fact I would prefer another 70s or 80s BR route over any further dabbling with steam traction. Though fairly certain that has also died a death, so far as TSW is concerned.

 

DTG Alex maybe you guys could investigate the possibility of extending this network? As much as I like the London routes there's no cohesive structure to them as a network, here's a ready made network to tap into surely?

 

They might at some point in the future.

 

Only if they equip the F7 with a banking comm function so that helpers can be introduced along with realistically long consists.

The moderators do not have any input as to what routes and locos are produced, so appealing to them is wasting your breath ( or ink ). Why not write to someone in the company who can actually make decisions. Or use the suggestions forum which we're told the producers read from time to time.

 

I think it would be brilliant if DTG released signal/speed limit maps and timetables before the route is released so you can learn the route like real drivers do. I guess we kind of get route learning videos from the preview streams.

 

How depressing. To think that diesel and steam traction are to be jettisoned in favor of a succession of electric go-karts, on the UK front at least. I doubt we'll ever see a German diesel or steam train. More electric red boxes there too?


That just leaves the US as the only diesel hold-out. And with another NEC or nearby electric route on the horizon, things don't look very bright there either.

Those visions of older diesels, Big Boys and Challengers are mere chimeras, I guess, dreams rapidly fading in the distance.

 

Or those wonderful DB and DR steam locos, especially the massive tank engines or the BR52 Kriegslok.

 

But they would have been rare on the route, in fact for much of the 1980's Tyseley had very few Met-Camm vehicles, mostly making up three car sets between class 116 vehicles whose trailer cars had been scrapped. The three car sets they had in the 1970's, mostly used on services like the Hereford service or Cotswold line were sent to the West Country in the early 1980's. The Cross City line was a suburban route therefore high density units like the class 115/116/117/118 were used.

 

I think you are probably right. It seems many people on the forums want to drive the trains you can actually go and ride on in real life.

The only recent "heritage" BR route was WCL and the less said about that the better. I would have imagined SOS at least would have had some DLC announced by now but it seems to have been quietly put to bed.

 

your welcome a charming individual isnt he

 

Part of this may be DTG's reluctance to incorporate traction they cannot research first hand. However there are enough 108s and 117s kicking around the heritage railways. Ditto 50's and Deltics or even Sulzer Type 2's and 56's still see main line use as do 60's.

Anyhow D-Day or rather time approaches, in just over 7 hours the pre order should go live along with a reveal on the price. Pretty much decided if it's £24.99 I will give it a try, so much better if a 10% discount for pre order. If it's £29.99 then it will go on the back-burner and I will pick up next year some time.

 

I wonder what the age profile of TSW users is? Assuming an awareness of railways at age 7, you would have to be 47 to remember a Deltic in frontline use, 42 to remember a Rat and 37 to remember a Hoover or a DMU (small pockets of the country excepted). I'm not sure a great many players fall into this age bracket.

I imagine that to most users, these trains are as relevant as Spangles, Showaddywaddy and Dixon of Dock Green*

I for one would love to see these trains but understand DTG will go where the money is.

*If you don't get these references then I've made my point

 

Does everyone only want to drive what they see around them though? I enjoy driving Victorian tank engines in TSC and I was born seven years after the end of steam. You see many young people operating steam and diesel period model railways at exhibitions.

For me one of the wonderful things about train simming, as an enthusiast is recreating as close as possible a time on the railways which has gone before, that could be 20 years ago or 100 years ago.

Presumably I am in the minority though.

 

Not everyone, no, but the only content my kids have engaged with for example is that with which they are familiar.

 

I think steam has sufficient proponents within DTG that it isn't going to dead-end. What I think is likely is that they want to get the kinks worked out (e.g. manual firing, open safeties) before they embark on another steam engine.

 

The point of simulation is not just to represent modern day but elements of history, too. Sadly there is a trend in these sort of games, the newish MS Flight Sim to my knowledge doesn't as yet have a flyable Tristar or DC10, yet these are the aircraft I made my first trips across the pond to Canada and the US respectively. Likewise I fire up OMSI 2 but where are the Bristol Lodekkas or Daimler CVG6, or my all time favourite the RELH coach? Plenty of these have been preserved but no one it seems, payware or freeware, wants to make one for the game.

So I guess we just need to learn to love our Electrostars and pretend I'm driving a 4CEP unit...

 

Hopefully, and I suppose that does make sense but since the fanfare which surrounded the launch of SOS a deathly silence has settled. The few times I have driven the route since release I find I am bored as there is so little variety and the bugs do make it are very unimmersive experience.

 

This is where TSC is your friend.

I am tempted by OMSI2 as I see someone has released a Leyland National and a Daimler Fleetline maybe I will give it a go one day.

 

I think they have said as much. In the last roadmap stream they were saying that the changes they made when SoS moved to TSW3 have broken the physics and they want to get that sorted before they do anything else with it.

 

Certainly interested in the Fleetline. When I moved to Swindon in 1984, they were Thamesdown Transport's primary fleet vehicle, used to be a great thrash up the various hills into the Old Town. Problem with OMSI2 is that it's been abandoned by the developer and is quite buggy. For example I cannot get the joypad to work properly, the keyboard is too clunky leaving mouse control which does not sit well with my multifocal neuropathy!

 

BCC release is delayed by 2 days due to some unexpected issue.

 

So is that for PC users only or?

 

Boooooo, though ATS Texas DLC comes out on the 15th, so i'll have plenty to keep me busy

 

Devil's Advocate here - does that mean Soho Depot is being belatedly added along with full timetable for ECS moves?
Cynic thinks, this pretty much says rushed to release, what else is going to be half finished, untested or plain broken?

Eyes Peace River over in TSC instead...

 

None of this is exactly inspiring confidence tbh

 

For everyone.

 

Is this on Twitter? As a potential customer, I think it is respectable of a Company representative to advise me/us of why there is a delay to the release and also the preview stream.

 

Confirmed as £29.99 for the route DLC and Starter Pack:

 

£30 it is
https://store.steampowered.com/app/..._Lichfield__Bromsgrove__Redditch_Route_AddOn/