PC A New German Route? The Niddertalbahn

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  1. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a plan. :cool:
     
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  2. OpenMinded

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    Makes me wonder about the timeframe R6. The 628, as much as I know, only played a small role on this route and the 642 came after 2012. It was the loco hauled trains that dominated the timetable during this time.

    Maybe it is not the Niddertalbahn we are talking about…

    Whatever it will be, I’ll buy it anyway… Looking forward to find out more soonish.
     
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  3. Sparmi

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    ...even if the BR218 comes later (like the BR52, but under DTG's supervision ;)) the only alternative until 2010 would be the BR628 railcar unit. The main highlight remains the route itself, which everyone can use as they wish in the scenario editor. Each further released DLC would expand the timetable properly. The BR218 could then be exchanged for the BR628 or get an extra layer.

    Thanks to Maik for his own TSG roadmap!

    Niddertalbahn BR628.jpg
     
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  4. Tom19721997

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    I agree a tsg route will 100% have add ons for it and layers aswell im only quessing but he did say it in this order but route come out then 420 then 232 as dlc add on plus layed onto tsg new route plus im quessing other german routes i dont know germany so i dont know what routes be realistic for it layer onto but tsg to me is the best 3rd party on tsw that come along the attention to detail the locos he helped with the g6 which is just a amazing bit of kit im uk player so cant say how real sounds and mechanics are but to me how good sounds are on locos he helped with or he did like g6 it is minted
     
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  5. Swisstrains

    Swisstrains Well-Known Member

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    but the good thing is: Your content is always (as we say in Germany) first cream!
    Even though we might have to wait a little longer, the locos provided are the best we have in game; I mean look at the Br612, Vossloh G6 and ICE1 for example; can’t stop driving them!!
     
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  6. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    He made the g6. It's a tsg product lol
     
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  7. Kangaroo Conductor

    Kangaroo Conductor Well-Known Member

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    I am happy to see so many older german locomotives in the works. Is that pure coincidence or a private affinity towards the older machines?
     
  8. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    I think it's coincidence or something. I mean we don't have those lovely locomotives in game and if there's anyone can replicate the loco in high quality, it's tsg lol. The problem then becomes that the old diesels are anachronistic since they don't actually run on the line or out of place with the era the route is set in. I remember tsg saying something about that.
     
  9. Tom19721997

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    Aye i know that i didnt word it right ive changed it so i have thanks for telling me
     
  10. Xaineth

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    There’s a mod that enables the 612 to be drivable on RE3 services. PC of course and it’s found on Train Sim Community.
     
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  11. sarhad

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    Was ist mit DB BR 420
     
  12. xxMVG_Fan8xx

    xxMVG_Fan8xx New Member

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    Wie du in Maik's folgender Nachricht lesen kannst, kommt der 420 nach der Route. Also hab einfach mal Geduld und warte. Wir alle wollen den 420 haben, aber Maik kann sich nicht klonen. Ich bin mir sicher, er arbeitet so viel wie er kann. Er ist halt auch nur ein Mensch.
     
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  13. OldVern

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    Please post in English!
     
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  14. Swisstrains

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    he just repeated what Maik said in the qouted post: The Br420 is coming after the Route, we all would like the Br420 but Mike is only human and one person; so nothing new!
    But yes, we still have to post in English so lets keep that up guys!
     
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  15. Mich

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    Out of curiosity will there be any support for the G6 & 232 for this route? Not that familiar with German stock, so not sure if it would be reasonable to expect them. Also while this doesn't seem like something TSG would do releases like GWR 70's pack. the CSX SD40, and ATSF F7 coming from DTG a engine not being a perfect match for a route doesn't rule it out. So regardless I think it's worth asking just to get a answer from Maik.

    Also somewhat unrelated, but is the 232 still planned for Ruhr Sieg Nord? Or is that being considered for a different route at this point?
     
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  16. xxMVG_Fan8xx

    xxMVG_Fan8xx New Member

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    Okay. I wrote the following (it's been translated, original is in German):
     
  17. fabienlimp95

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    Arent they playable anyway with the 612 on DCZ? Pretty sure you can do those in normal Timetable mode. Or am i missing something here ?
     
  18. dr4w4t

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    Yes you are right.
     
  19. WonterRail

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    Got something interesting to share here. Today's update brought in a new depot, numbered 2101382. This depot has a very small download size at only 1.44 GiB. Bigger than a typical loco add-on, but small than routes such as West Somerset Railway (1.69 GiB) and even the Training Center route that comes with the base game (1.47 GiB, if you're only counting Training Center alone).

    I bring this up because I believe this is the depot for Niddertalbahn, considering that it's such a small route (only 19 miles or 31 km long) plus the fact that it's mainly a single track branch line for the most part, I can't think of this being anything else other than Niddertalbahn, unless it's an even smaller route that we don't know off yet.

    Of course, I expect this size to change before release, but it's something worth keeping an eye on.
     
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  20. solicitr

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    Could however be the Acela, which will be big for a loco (since it actually is a whole consist of multiple cars)
     
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  21. WonterRail

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    I doubt it personally. I leaning more towards depot 2101400 being the one for Acela potentially. Especially considering that I've caught it being updated alongside Boston Sprinter in the past, but we'll see on that.

    EDIT: Should also mention that the average loco add-on doesn't usually go bigger than around 300 MiB. The largest standalone loco add-on right now is at 291.54 MiB, which is for the New Journey's SD40 (which I find personally very strange).
     
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  22. colinL

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    Well, I mean wasn't the Niddertalbahn leaked like back in summer in a TSW3 preview stream? If so, I think its plausible that it could be announced in the very near future and be released before Christmas then. Could potentionally explain the uploaded depot as well.
     
  23. sarhad

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    Gute Arbeit
     
  24. TimTri

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    Brightened up the new screenshot to give us a proper look at the DB BR 628, presumably part of the Niddertalbahn route. :cool:
    upload_2022-12-21_17-51-38.jpeg
    If you look closely, the individual unit number next to 628 appears to be a blocky placeholder. There’s probably still some work left to do, so don’t be surprised if we don’t immediately get news at the beginning of 2023! ;)
     
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  25. Kangaroo Conductor

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    The 628 is an all time favorite of mine for so many times. On the real world as well as model railrailroad. Having it in the game, as well as in this rather than the red livery makes me very, very happy!
     
  26. OpenMinded

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    And I am really looking forward to the „new“ signals:D
     
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  27. jolojonasgames

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    Nice, finally produktfarben! Where is this screenshot from?
     
  28. TimTri

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    New DTG live article!
     
  29. driverwoods#1787

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    If you want to see what is actually next to the semaphore signals it's going to be Punktförmige Zugsbeeinflussung which is also used on Hamburg S-Bahn PZB
     
  30. Lamplight

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    What's not to love? Semaphores and the Br 628... What a nice combination, and in mint green on top! I'm very excited for this :)
     
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  31. Haribo112

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    What do you mean by that? PZB is used on all german routes.
     
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  32. rennekton#1349

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    I think he's more describing the pzb system and where else it runs
     
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    You are correct furthermore it's also used in Austria Which can actually explain to why some routes have the ES64U2 Locomotives ÖBB1116/1016 run Sleeper Trains on Köln-Aachen Hannover Kassel Würzburg & Main Spessart Bahn EN420 421 trips High Speed services Hauptstrecke München-Augsburg these are RJX66 63 IC112 Blauer Enzian.
     
  34. LastTrainToClarksville

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    Yet another route limited to passenger runs, I assume?
     
  35. solicitr

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    Given that there are no diesel freight engines in the game for Germany - except the 204, which does pull some light local freight - I would say that's the case. Unless a layer is included for the future 232.
     
  36. driverwoods#1787

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    Good point but if Nidderalbahn was set in the 1980s then a DB BR 218 will do freight because the 232 was an East German locomotive the DR Baureihe 132. DB BR 204 is also a GDR locomotive where it's known as DR Baureihe 108 110 111 112 114 & 199.8 took this from the German wiki.
     
  37. OpenMinded

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    The route code indicates a set timeframe between 1991 and 2010. where did you get the 80s from? Was this changed somewhere?
     
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    I think that came from the sneak peek picture, which shows a 628 in mint green; i.e. originally Bundesbahn livery; he may have assumed an 80s date from that. Türkis did however remain in use until 1998, after the merger and within the 6 date code.
     
  39. OpenMinded

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    Ok, makes sense. Agreed, the livery fits quite well in both periods. Also, as it took them quite long to get rid of this livery.

    Speaking of the preview picture, was the 628 only shown in this livery? I seem to remember another picture in which it was red?! I could be wrong, though…
     
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    Hmmm. I think this is the first ever time we‘ve seen the BR 628. The leaked menu image of the Niddertalbahn from back in August showed a DB red BR 612, and TSG has shared multiple screenshots of his work-in-progress DB red BR 420 in the past, so perhaps that’s what you’re thinking about.
     
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    As I thought… It may have been a picture from another game. Thanks for clearing this up!
     
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    I wonder if that new 628 will sub into the 612 on Bremen-Oldenburg. IIRC the 612 is currently a standin for a missing two part DMU type, but I can't remember if that js the 628 or some later DMU.

    What DMU was operating alongside the BR 110 and 425 on Bremen-Oldenburg in real life? And do you guys think a mint green 628 is a better substitute for that than a red 612?
     
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    As far as I know, the mint green livery was only used until the late 1990s, but Bremen-Oldenburg is set in the mid-late 2000s, so that would already rule out such a substitution by default.
     
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    As far as I know mint green was no longer the official livery from 1997 onwards, but some coaches and DMU's survived in that livery until the early 2000's, as repaints only happened during the big inspections. Around 2003/4 pretty much all was gone though, as far as I know.

    Still, I feel like it might be more realistic to see the right train in the wrong livery than the wrong train in nearly the right livery (as the 612 currently has a Franken-Sachsen Express livery).
     
  45. Maik Goltz

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    Makes not much sense to sub in a 628 for a 612. They are not nearly the same thing. 628 has way less power, no NeiTEC, and only 120km/h max speed (if it ever reaches it, downhills ^^). Would not fit into the schedules of a 612.
     
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  46. Purno

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    The 628 is, however, way more awesome than a 612.

    Sure, I'd be running late, but at least I'd be running late in style :cool:
     
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    Yeah, to sub it in on say Dresden Chemnitz makes no sense at all, but the 612 is currently on Bremen - Oldenburg, where it makes not a lot of sense, though it's better than no DMU services. I was inquiring as to whether the 628 would make more sense here. Conclusion seems to be no though.
     
  48. Purno

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    Don't they have any heritage 628s they do railtours with? :P

    I mean, I understand TSW being realistic, but sometimes I wish it was a little less strict on which trains I can drive on my routes...

    Unfortunately scenario creator takes a long while to set up if you want some decent AI traffic.
     
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  49. rennekton#1349

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    It's the 648 that runs on bremen oldenburg after a quick google search. Even though Joe included a 612 to represent the 648 services, he doesn't really think it was a good decision since they are completely different locomotives.
     
  50. solicitr

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    But perhaps there could be a retroactive replacement, as was done with the 375 > 465 on SEHS, and the 422 > 423 on SKA.
     

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