PC Price Increase?

I just hope it comes with no issues I am very doubtful though. I was just thinking about how the next gen games have gone up by £20, didn't think about movies which is true.

 

You may think of me as something of a rube to suggest this, but maybe it's simply because DTG haven't decided yet and were waiting to see the general reaction to the route announcement before setting a price. It's quite possible that given the nature of the digital marketplace they're leaving a final decision to the last minute, hence why it wasn't possible to pre-order at the time of the announcement.

My feeling is that if there was a fixed price that had already been decided, they'd have been better off just announcing it up front (even if it was £30) rather than fuelling wild doom-laden speculation.

 

£30 seems hard to justify imo. Although I'll wait and see what they add with layers but I'm a little sceptical at the moment (open to being proved wrong!)

I think some routes would benefit from something similar to the BRHFP and with the new focus on owning trains that work on multiple routes surely there will have to be an increase on loco dlc?

 

I always bought all the routes during sales anyway. -50% and i can live with the quality (bad/missing sounds, core bugs, red light issues, train bugs...). For full price i would be outraged 9 out of 10 times.

 

It would be unrealistic to expect no issues with a new route on release but for £30 I'd expect the quality to increase. But as was posted the other day, an increase in cost will not mean an increase in quality.

Matt P shot me down the other day, but I stand by the view that DTG try to knock out dlc with the least amount of work possible in the shortest time possible. It's all quick win's with them, rather than focus on quality, it's get it made, get it out and get on with the next. Rinse and repeat.

 

One thing that DTG can’t do is spend more on development than they get in sales revenue. I think that should be plainly obvious. They also need to make a profit because that’s how the people who invest all the money into the venture in the first place make their living and how the company can take on new challenges and invest in growth. I’m wondering how long some people on the forum would be able to sustain running a business.

There are unexpected windfalls along the way which can be seen by the huge jump in the personal wealth of tech billionaires over the covid lockdowns when every business had to start using their tech to communicate and remote working and socialising became a necessity, and how more people were buying everything online. DTG most likely benefitted from it. That boost is now over and reality has set back in and people will spend more on going out than on computer stuff to help them through the isolation, and to add to that we have the current economic climate that companies have to deal with. Energy cost rocketing, interest rates rising, employees demanding (and deserving) large pay rises. It’s a wonder anyone can stay in business.

(a paragraph here about leaving the EU and turkeys voting for Christmas deleted prior to posting, just be careful what you wish for)

Nobody likes prices going up, I shudder every time I go to the shop and see how much more it costs me to eat and have had to cut down on some luxuries, and I have to make tough decisions about things now, knowing that the heating bills have gone up and are likely to keep going up and when the fixed rate on my mortgage runs out, that’s going to go up, and yet I can still see that an increase in price of something else I buy, a game DLC, is required. And I don’t see how covering the increasing costs of development with a price increase could also lead to a magical increase in quality either. The quality thing is an ongoing challenge for DTG quite separate from this price increase.

 

Not to mention the other routes currently selling for £30 are much longer - Cajon, SKW and the extended SEHS which admittedly most of us got free(ish) because we already own the original. Seems the German and US projects are coming in at much greater length (okay maybe not Harlem, but then that's only £25) than what DTG's UK route builders seem prepared to expend the effort on. That does take into account the desire to "push" a new UK route out the door but BCC is still a bit of a cut down affair compared to other recent releases. Selling price should reflect that. Guess we will find out on Tuesday evening (?) when the pre-release goes on sale - and will there be a discount?

 

There certainly should be a discount for players who commit to purchasing a route in advance, largely sight unseen.

And DTG should be looking for other ways to soften the impact of these quite substantial price increases, like bundling and reward coupons for future purchases.

And, if prices must increase, there should also be an increase in content to maintain the real value of routes and locos.

 

Dtg would still have to meet deadlines. Just cuz price increases, there won't always be a rise in quality or an increase in content. There will be compromises depending on how much time they have. Just being realistic.

 

Cajon might be longer in distance, but BCC will probably have more custom scenery with more landmark buildings, more stations, a denser timetable and has probably taken more time, effort and research to put together. I suspect that, for me at least, it will be more interesting to drive, take up more of my time, and therefore be a more valuable addition too.

 

DLC prices haven't changed in at least 12 years so I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a price increase, everything else has gone up, DTG's overheads will have gone up.

Personally of course I don't want to have to pay any more but I don't expect to be paying the same price for ever.

Some know the costs of everything and the value of nothing..

 

Cross city confirmed as £29.99:

 

Inflation is the highest it has been since the 1970s, and the GBP has cratered on international currency markets. Of course prices are going up.

 

This is a joke. Almost 200km of track cost that much, and now the 60km dlc costs the same. And there is no discount. Bravoo!!

 

Well it's always been the case in tsc. In tsc, it might be long, but be very poor quality, making it not worth the price. You get the point. but we kinda just have to deal with it cuz they aren't going to change the price.

 

We'll find out on Thursday but I don't have good feelings.

 

I'm at the point where I want to respond to everyone who assumes UE5 is literal magic with "Were you actually paying attention to the technical limitations of the Matrix Awakens demo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?"

 

Oh, and now I see that they've delayed the release.

 

I'll wait for the preview stream, but 20% price increase means 20% expectation increase. As this is a relatively short route with only one train, the quality had better be off the chart.

 

So I see 35,99€ for the new dlc.
And 35,99€ for TSW3 + the new dlc

Weird..
And where is the official communication of our loving dev team about price increase?

 

It's a bummer that the priced increased that much, as there were always pre-order discounts by about 10%. Doesn't look like it this time.
As far as a Thursday release. That's fine.
American Truck Simulator is releasing Texas DLC next Tuesday anyway, so that will keep me busy.

 

I stand by my guns that a £5 increase is too much. Yes the standard DLC price has been £25 for some years but you could argue that was still on the high side for a DLC product anyway.

I will definitely be voting with my wallet on BCC and waiting for a sale. Apart from New Street there's nothing particularly iconic about it anyway. As I said in the other thread, no issue paying £30 or even £35 for a quality +-100 mile route such as London to Birmingham, WCML over Shap or WCML Carlisle to Glasgow with 2 or 3 new trains to go along with it.

It now remains to be seen what Niddertalbahn and Bremen to Oldenburg (also both short routes) will be selling for. If DTG try and push these for £30 then I fear for their future prospects.

 

There's a new article that talks about this. Jd has said there are lighting issues, specifically for light baking in tunnels that need to be sorted out before release, hence the delay

 

Whether the price of anything, from a packet of crisps to a yacht, is "too high" depends, absolutely and without exception, on whether you, individually, are willing to pay it.

 

Price increase and a delay for a route with as little content as this one has. Yeah. It’s a pass from me. DTG haven’t earned the benefit of the doubt.

 

I just think they have dropped a huge dangly bit on this one, particularly with this route. Methinks it won't be long before BCC does a Sherman or Oakville and gets a firesale discount of 70 or 80% to try and recoup the losses. Hopefully followed by a return to more sensible pricing levels.

 

£29.99? I'll wait for a sale on this one...

...Oh wait I'm on Xbox where sales never happen!

 

In my currency, it's more than double the price I used to pay for the DLCs in TSW2

 

Yep, the step is quite high for me. I like the route but with only one train, i will pass at full price at least. And i live in a country where i pay less the 29 euros.

 

Me too, will have to be in the sales. I run TSW3 on Xbox and PC. If my pension went up by 20% I wouldn’t object but with the Gas and Electricity I cannot justify £30 each for both devices. Will buy later for Xbox when I see what’s available in the coming BF and Xmas PC sales and how my wallet stretches. I buy new routes for Xbox and dip into the sales for PC.

 

As much as I want to continue to support, I can't at this price. I found 30€ already very expensive but so far it always worked somehow. Since many more important RL things are getting more and more expensive, but the salary itself has not been increased for years, I have to cut back somewhere else. This is the first time in my TSW history that I have to wait for a sale and I will keep this procedure for future DLC. I'm sorry!

 

I feel that way. Bought TSW2 an year ago. As a train enthusiast it's really special for me because it coincided with my 22nd birthday, my graduation and my first job; all within 1 week. Everything with TSW has been a day 1 purchase since then. It's a painful change, I'll definitely continue supporting, but no longer on day 1.

 

I have all the other DLC, which is over 10,000 services in total (minus the few hundred broken services we already paid for),
enough to do until the first good discount shows up.

 

Actually HMV went out of business in Canada in 2017. And the US in 2018.

It is now only a UK company when it was a worldwide one.

So yes they are struggling.

 

I have all the DLC but it's a bit expensive for me. In addition, the exchange rate in my country has gone up quite a bit. Maybe if we would get more content or more trains then I would think about it but not this way.

 

BCC WAS a 100% buy for today with a 10% pre order Discount. At least I thought this one would be offered today.

Now i see the Price increased. Ok, we have a inflation - ok, ok, ok, ok - but i have paid already full Price for TSW3 "A New Game" with Minor Changes - ok, ok, ok, ok.
Where are the benefits and discounts for longtime supporters for buying the Games and DLC´s from DTG?

At this moment, my understanding and the consideration of it is over.
I mean not a single small pre-order discount? This is really sad.



The Same Price for this DLC and the same Price for this DLC + the Game????

How much do you actually want to disadvantage long-time customers?
DTG: "Yes"!!!

 

this + the update which change nothing oh yeah we love our customers <3

 

Here in Australia, we are seeing a $15.55 increase in price from how TSW2 DLC was priced...I think I will be only buying routes during sales from here on out.



I know the TSW3 skies & lighting are pretty...but I do not think they are worth a $15 price jump

 

I posted my thoughts on this topic here > https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...r-5-come-on-team-dtg.60798/page-3#post-563516

 

You would only end up saving like $3-4 which isn't much tbh. You could make that easily if you work or have an allowance, etc.

 

To be honest, with the cost of everything going up so much in the UK, while I'm sure DTG would love to offer DLCs for less than they were before, this is ultimately a niche product that doesn't have huge potential for growing its market - and the reality is every industry right now is seeking significant pay rises so that people can still afford food, mortgages, etc.

Of course, if somebody doesn't think it's good value, they're 100% entitled to make that judgement - and what feeds into value will be different for different people. I'm more tempted to purchase day one regardless of route length or higher price point because I want DTG to be able to pay their staff and keep making DLCs in the future - while still also making some margin to keep the bottom line healthy.

But other opinions on value are perfectly normal.

 

This just wasn’t the route to introduce a price increase. I would happily pay that for a route like London Commuter or one of the German routes that provide a tonne of content. This is a relatively short route with one loco. It’s just not good value. I’d rather just go back and buy an older DLC that I don’t have that provides more content.

DTG really need to rethink their pricing strategy. Cathcart, Cornwall and this route shouldn’t be as expensive or even more expensive than routes like London Commuter that provide multiple locos, a bigger route and far more services.

I was interested in this route but unless the 323 is the best model they’ve produced I don’t think you can justify purchasing this at that price when they have far better products on sale for less.

 

No, it's the principle. Less than a year ago I bought a full-price game with little new content. And now a DLC costs more because I already have the game? Or I should pay as much as a player who doesn't have the game yet?

No, there's something seriously wrong with DTG's pricing policy.

Ok, now DTG can calculate there pricing policy for their own:
How can they make more Money:
1.: With increase the Price up to 6€ (did´t know the Price for other Countries at the Moment) for a DLC or
2.: An unsold product for 26€ in Pre order.

 

The lack of a discount for pre-purchasing the DLC is disappointing. £30 is a bit much for such a small route and only 1 new rolling stock. I would gladly pay more for a UK route which is over 100 miles long. Would I still buy BCC on the first day, I'll probrably will.

 

My big Problem with this is the lack of communication from the management team of DTG. NO EXPLANATION...
We are chicken like COD or Fifa players, its incredible

 

No disrespect, but you need to go look at TSC. For what it would cost to buy just Steam DLC's, you'd need over £12,000. There's is nothing 'niche' about Train 'simulation' any more.
The problem that DTG have is bringing over all those loyal TSC fans to a better 3D world with the likes of currently, TSW3.

 

and what about other games like TSC and fishing are all prices going higher?
Quality is worse and the prices go higher. Damn I'm lost

I think the only thing we can to is to boycott the next DLC on thursday. I dont se any other possibilty to show the disapointment of the players to DTG..

Money is and has always been the key

I'm in

 

Regarding BCC we have no idea that quality is going to be worse and I for one am not disappointed especially after the article about the layers. I was on the fence as to whether I was going to buy it when it was announced leaked but after the screenshots over the past week or so and the article today I'm going day one. As I've said the £30 doesn't bother me because I would only spend it on a measly 70 miles worth of fuel which will give me, depending on where I go, an hour and a half of enjoyment whereas this route will give me many, many, many hours of enjoyment. Obviously we all have different views of value but I would say this route is still good value for money.

 

train simulation is niche in that there aren't many developers out there who make train simulations like dtg does. There is wos, but the scope isn't as large as dtgs. There is zusi for the really hardcore fans. There are train management games which doesn't even match what dtg is trying to do. There is simrail coming out, but we won't know how it is until it comes out. What im saying is that there aren't a lot of devs out there who have created a train sim as large as what dtg have created.

 

Is this some kind of a joke?
You've just double the price of a new route for Ukraine?
I'm done with this LOVE, go to hell DTG!