PC "buchfahrplan" Tool For Dresden – Chemnitz

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  1. gravity#7425

    gravity#7425 New Member

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    can you update the discord link?
     
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    hi. thats the tool i always looking for. can you please update the DC link so i can download it. many thx :3
     
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    Wonder if it's possible to have a button to generate a random fahrplan?

    sort of like a drivers duty roster in real life where (s)he calls in the booking on office and gets handed a driving sheet with todays jobs on.

    So instead of starting TSW2 up and browsing the available services and picking one you'd like to drive,

    you start up this Buchfahrplan generator first, click a button to get a random Fahrplan generated, which is now your duty roster that tells you that you will be driving a certain train from xxx to yyy stopping at zzz etc.

    Then you start up TSW2 and locate that service and drive it.


    Maybe allow the service type to be chosen, i.e i like S-Bahn and RB services... slower speed and lots of stops over the RE and IC type services that are higher speed with long distances between a few stops... and freight isn't really my thing,

    oh and would have to allow the user to pre select what trains they have that are DLC options.
     
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  6. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    Nice idea..

    I think I can build a button that picks one of the 152 possible services randomly and then provides you with the corresponding Fahrplan. I will look into it as soon as I get around.
     
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  7. 5cip

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    hi
    very intresting tool a queston about...
    is this tool also for other routes or only for Dresden-Chemnitz ?
     
  8. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Only Dresden-Chemnitz.
     
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  9. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    We have a tool in the (so far unpublished) latest version of our EBuLa simulator (beta) that can generate a Buchfahrplan using the raw EBuLa data for any route (that is provided in a specified format).

    But putting together this raw data is a lot of work and since the EBuLa simulator doesn't really rock without an API to link the EBuLa timelines to the game, we put it aside for the time being..

    upload_2022-7-17_19-27-16.png

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  10. gazz292

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    So much could be done to make TSW2 even better if only we had access to the train data,

    all that data is there... (here we need the trains location data and in game time i believe) it just needs bringing out with something similar to what we were given in TSC years ago.




    i sometimes wonder if the old way people used to get motion data out of car racing simulators would work in TSW2, something about reading memory locations, hooks and all that,
    mostly made obsolete due to 99% of all simulators having an API to allow access to the data built in nowadays.
     
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  11. cadeshr6s

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    Can you send invite to discord again?
     
  12. 5cip

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    would be nice if the developers DTG can say anything about this and if its possible to realize this EBula into TSW.
    i think that we really need the permanent location in game and a program which sends this data into the EBula tool to use this then on a second screen.
    i remember for example that X-Plane 11 had an api which has send the real geo position into google maps so similar to this would be a way but i think that is really hard work to realize.
     
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    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    When we were experimenting with our tool we realized that without an API we had to juggle at least five different timelines to monitor train position and delay in the tool:
    upload_2022-7-17_20-31-12.png

    Since the in-game time seems to get warped according to the individual performance of the player's system, we are actually in a worse situation than Heisenberg: Not only do we not know, where the in-game train is at a certain point in time.. we don't even know what time it is in-game. :o

    DTG already made it very clear that they are not planning to provide an API in the forseeable future.
     
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    Just noticed something that may be a bug (or may be me using it wrong) in v1.071.

    It seems that after 145 lines, the KM numbers in column 3b no longer get inserted,

    This only affects the longer trips, i.e the 18 stop RB30 services, or the hour + long RE3 with 7 stops etc.

    This is a screen shot showing what i mean:
    upload_2022-7-18_17-54-3.png
    That was the end of the created Fahrplan for a Dosto and BR143, driving on the RB30 Westbound, service 17310, 18 stops between Dresden - Chemnitz, starting at 08:06.

    The data is present in the excel tab for the longer services, i.e. tab "RB30 Fr-Ch" tab shows:
    upload_2022-7-18_17-57-15.png

    it just seems that after 145 lines some data isn't being transferred over... or something, i know nothing about spreadsheets.

    i'm using microsoft excel, version 2205... i just got a new subscription to office 365 yesterday.
    And using V1.071 of the Burchfahrplan creator, downloaded directly from the discord server yesterday.

    i just tried V1.06, and it doesn't have this issue, but the fahrplan for service 17310 is ~146 lines long, as opposed to ~154 lines long on the v1.071... as the newer version has the ¥ symbols added.






    :D <Karen mode> This 'fault' meant i couldn't stop in time for Chemnitz Hilbersdorf, all of TSW2 is now unplayable as a result, i demand a refund </Karen mode> :D
     
  16. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, you are very right.
    The formulae for transfering the data in rows 147 to 159 in this column obviously got deleted accidentially (or I forgot to copy them when we were expanding the sheet).
    I fixed it in our most recent working copy.
     
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  17. dagger#3513

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    Hi, thanks for your amazing VBA work!

    I have just a question. Let's take the eastbound 85035 service as an example.

    upload_2022-7-22_9-25-14.png

    Shouldn't the loco be in G-brakes, since the weight is over 800 t? And shouldn't Vmax be reduced due to the steep gradient?

    According to my experience, the most crucial is "Freital Ost – Dresden Altstadt" section with maximum gradient of 1.9 % and braking distance 1000 m. (The ramp with gradient over 2 % is not the key one, since the braking distance is longer.)
    According to the tables in the other topic, the Vmax should be 80 kph for BrH 64. Or am I wrong?

    Thanks for your answer.
     
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    Not sure about the brake type, I forgot the exact figures and thresholds.

    About the speed, if you generate the Fahrplan, there you should see the max speed decrease where there are sufficiently steep gradients.
     
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    It's been a while since I was more involved with the in-depth workings of the german trains, but IIRC if you read further on that thread there were some discussion about how that table isn't "definitive" and there are some exceptions. I can't remember them off the top of my head now but I'll try to see if I can find something to post here.
     
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  21. Lamplight

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    I haven't used the tool in some time but it seems to me that you're misinterpreting what the figures on the start screen refer to.
    The brake mode is probably the brake mode of the timetable, which is either P for P/P, G/P, LL, or G for G/G. Therefore, P is correct. The Vmax on the downwards gradient is indeed 80km/h, but not on the route as a whole (you're oversimplifying the procedure which is fine if you only want one speed limit but that's not how a Buchfahrplan works). Regarding 1.9% vs. 2% - that doesn't matter. The table we've got only differentiates between 1.7% and 2% and thus you'll use 2% regardless. The consist has enough BrH for 100km/h (mode U limit) on the flat and all the cars are fit for 120km/h and thus the consist speed limit is indeed 100km/h.
     
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  22. OpenMinded

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    Don't really have anything to add to what was said above, apart from maybe posting the link to the cargo train thread.

    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...n-driving-freight-trains-realistically.44532/

    If you want to learn how brake settings and calculations work in Germany, I highly recommend to go through this one.

    Additionally, tygerways#2596 and myself have also created a similar tool for DRA with the main emphasis on calculating fright train settings and speeds for this route. If you are interested, you will find it on his Discord, too.
     
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  23. dagger#3513

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    Thank you guys for your explanations, it helps a lot.
     
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    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    No problem, all of this stuff can be rather complicated and confusing. It was like that for all of us :)
     
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  25. gazz292

    gazz292 Well-Known Member

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    it is amazing when you read through the 'driving German freight trains realistically' thread just how much is going on behind the pretty pictures in TSW2.
     
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  26. tygerways#2596

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    So I invested an evening and put together a little addendum to our tool that lets you ask the dispatcher what service you are supposed to drive. Just click on any key in the picture of the radio (top right). The dispatcher then informs you about what service to drive, what traction to use and – if you are inclined to listen to it – information about the weather conditions.

    To retain the role playing aspect, I left it to the user to punch in the data in our tool to create the Fahrplan and.. put the message in German.

    upload_2022-7-22_23-0-39.png

    I will share it on my discord for download very soon (Buchfahrplan_TSW_Dresden-Chemnitz_v1_084).

    Let me know if this is about what you were thinking of.
     
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    wow, that sounds amazing, can't wait to try it out,
     
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    well, i've tried the new feature a few times now................. and it's great,

    it's like booking on for your turn, calling in the office and being given your duty roster.... off you go to find the train allocated to you and drive it on the service.

    Just a little step closer to making this game more like an actual train driving simulator.



    Just wish this Burchfahrplan creator was available for all the German routes, as i can't see us getting working EBuLa's any time soon,
     
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  29. tygerways#2596

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    Maybe we can make a community project out of it after all..
    Which route would you like to see tackled next?
     
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    Hello tygerways#2596, I know, I am very late to this, but could you update the invitation one more time?
    I just found this post and wanted to try it out.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Sure!
    https://discord.gg/csyt5WsF
    (Link will be valid for 7 more days. If it has expired, just ask me for an invite, if you like.)
     
  32. martx#5169

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    Can you send invite to discord again? tygerways#2596
     
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    Of course!
    https://discord.gg/gFZJtkw2
    (Link will be valid for 7 more days. If it has expired, just ask me for an invite, if you like.)
     
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    Hello tygersways#2596! Could you send me the discord invitation link if you don't mind?
    Sorry for the late request.

    Thank you in advance. :)
     
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    Sure!
    https://discord.gg/fnf9dyaA
    (Link will be valid for 7 more days. If it has expired, just ask me for an invite, if you like.)
     
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    Thank you!
     
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  37. aleksilla#9186

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    Hi! Could someone please send the link to Discord server? This seems very impresing
     
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    Sure!
    https://discord.gg/V8yU8f3Z
    (valid for another 7 days)
     
  39. olli2910

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    Hey there :) May I ask for a link to the discord server?
     
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    Sure, here you go!
    https://discord.gg/Ve3Paj5T
    (valid for another 7 days)
     
  41. SJAY_ONE

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    Hello master! May I ask for a link to the discord server?
     
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    Sure thing!
    https://discord.gg/3fXMEbcU
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    May I ask for a new link to the discord server?
     
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    Of course!
    https://discord.gg/wSJgfa3t
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    Is there a new link to this?
     
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    BTW, we would be happy to create more files for different routes. SKW is basically finished concerning the route profile, however, we don’t have adequate timetable data… So, just in case anybody is extracting this data, by any chance, we would be happy to turn it into a Buchfahrplan.

    Especially on longer distance trains, like the ICEs on SKW, or the ICs/ECs on LFR I am really missing the ability to judge on how far ahead / behind you are on your schedule…
     
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    Always!
    https://discord.gg/g2MSZttn
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  50. aleksilla#9186

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    Hi,

    Can I get link to discord, pls?
     

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