PC New German Route Discussion And Rumour Thread

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  1. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    There is a difference between a DB BR247 German Class 66 and UK Class 66 is that rear wall Cab 1 was switches for Memor II ATB EG NG KVB France together with PZB LZB Sifa DB ÖBB network. If DTG Goes Oldenburg Bremen 1990s early 2000s then a DB Baureihe 150 fits here with DB Baureihe 247/266. DB Baureihe 150 is found inside Koblenz Lutzel for team measurements.
    This 2019 comment shows on what the panel looks like for those Class 66 locomotives
    Based on that Bremen Oldenburg Class 66 is future proofed for a Dutch Prorail Route and Belgian Infrabel route.
     
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    Well, my guess is it will be set in the late 2000s.
    As of 2010, there was a ew S-Bahn system implemented on the route. Probably DTG wants to capture the situation before that.
    If the route was set in the 90s, no German locos could sub in. That would be a weird choice (44 km, only one or two types of rolling stock, no subbing in).
     
  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Good point and for the N-wagen there are two cab cars the DR DDR Wittenberg design and DB Karlshuler kopf cab car? From the RSSLO TSC it's the Karlshuler design. For this route DB BR182 110 141 111 can run them and layer to RRO as a RE7 to Rheine RE4 Aachen Hbf
     
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    ...it's always fascinating that you pack so much information into your comments. Always really helpful! Of course the "Karlsruher Kopf" fits best on this route. The screenshot with the BR182 was only there to confirm the existence of these wagons in TSC. The red BR182s, which originally pulled freight trains for DB Cargo, are nowadays all used for DB Regio in front of fast RE trains. Since n-wagons are as good as retired, you only find them in front of Dostos, like in the add-on for Rapid Transit.

    So far, BOB hasn't yet been officially confirmed, but rather unofficially leaked. Because we will see a US(NEC) route first and then the Acela Express train addon. An n-wagons add-on on its own would certainly be a long-awaited wish from the community. The only question that remains is the train locomotive. A BR143 or BR182 can certainly be swapped in, but a BR111 or BR110 are the most suitable counterparts, alongside the BR218.
     
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  5. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Happy to help you and I remember seeing them on a Märklin 1999-2003 catalog which usually pairs Karlsruhe kopf with 141 110 111 143 & 218. Rare version was a DR Baureihe 119 DB BR219 232 DR BR132. That's how I am familiar with that type.
    If Bremen Oldenburg Hbf was made and confirmed I wonder if DTG will allow a 2011-present DB BR187 to layer in to an era 6 route Oldenburg Bremen or not?
     
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    Any new findings or revelations on this one? :)
    I’m really hoping for a branch line… the S-Bahn lines to Nordenham or Farge would be a great (and very unique) fit. The former essentially splits off from the mainline right between Bremen & Oldenburg and continues through the rural countryside along the Weser river. The latter is a bit shorter, but explores the suburban parts of Bremen along the opposite bank of the Weser with many stations.
    Including one of these branches would bring the route up to the approximate average length of German TSW content. If they really just stick to the short mainline - which also doesn’t really have a ton of stations - the rolling stock better be breathtaking to make up for that! :o
     
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    I had this random encounter in a rather familiar TSW destination.
    66s.jpg
     
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  8. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Hauptstrecke München Augsburg Augsburg Hbf and you have two DB BR266 locomotives. These have Memor II Belgium ATB EG Ng Netherlands. Switch for them is the same as UK spec Class 66
     
  9. jolojonasgames

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    No new findings, shouldn't be too long until we know more though. I fear we might need to wait until after the christmas holidays, as DTG tend to not release close to christmas so people are in the office to fix any post release issues, meaning only the first two weeks of december are a realistic option, but that seems too soon with no current announcements. Perhaps we'll see a few more leaks with for example achievements (possibily confirming stock or some more route details), but not much more until after the holidays I'd guess.
     
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    As much as I would love to see Silberlinge, they fit better with a vintage route.

    If nothing else, era defines livery; the handful still in service are Verkehrsrot today, but of course over their long lives have been a few colors, starting with bare stainless. Introducing red ones in a modern route would make their utility ...limited.
     
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    The Karlsruhe-köpf cab cars for diesel and electric operation look (mostly) identical from the outside, but the controls are very different. IRL the pinout of the control signal cable is very different too. So if DTG wanted to include a cab car and pair it with a 110/111 they would have to model a different control cab interior compared to a version that would be compatible with a BR211/212/216/218/219.

    The BR132/232 isn't compatible with any cab car: it lacks the control circuitry and connector to pair with one.

    Btw, there's a third n-Wagen cab car variant: the so called "Hasenkasten", which have a walk-through head that could be couple to any other UIC standard passenger car.

     
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  12. rennekton#1349

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    It is set between 1990-2010 so we might see an older loco. They might honestly just pick a year where both modern and older locomotives ran together, giving them a reason to reuse the other locos in the game such as the traxx locomotives, 143, etc where appropriate. Now, idk when the traxx locomotives started running, but it's a possibility it would still get added in for the base trains
     
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    I do not understand why the best reviewed dlc of TS aka Hamburg Hannover isn't already here on tsw
    150 km, Big stations, ice, transport of goods, IC.
    In addition some scenarios (real scenarios) with the BR101 and the (maybe one day) updated BR187.
    It's just perfect.
    Maybe the only one DLC I could buy day one, with Berlin Leipzig
     
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    you could say that with other routes. Why is this route not in tsw, etc. They will slowly come along so just be patient.
     
  15. jolojonasgames

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    So there is a 'To be announced' TSW stream on thursday. I think it's very unlikely, but it could be a surprise announcement stream :)

    More likely is a guest stream that still needs to be announced or some other promotional thing, but who knows ;)
     
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    I hope it will be the first hahaha
    Well, it does say that it will be a prior announcement, so…
     
  17. lux#4689

    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    My guess would be:
    Tuesday official announcement of the new German route, Thursday preview stream.
    Release: 13th December
     
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    would be amazing :0
     
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    I'd love that to actually happen!
     
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    I'd say given the history, that they've massively cut the time between announcing and releasing stuff this wouldn't be that unlikely. But I think it could be more likely that it would be the Niddertalbahn? I would fairly guess that the Niddertalbahn is more advanced as we've seen it leaked in TSW3 preview streams already back in August/September...
     
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    According to the roadmap, Niddertalbahn will only release after the Rivet-route. So I don't think it will be that.
     
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    Especially in the run-up to Christmas, I'd rather eat speculoos than to speculate (good pun)! ;) I think on Thursday we'll get more infos of the coming US route or BOB and definitely an answer when the addon manager will finally come. The Playstation players that have been waiting for so long should have now the highest priority. If you look at it that way, it could already be the roadmap stream for the month of December, meaning JD and Matt will be there again to surprise us.

    BTW: it's very good that we have dealt with the topic of n-wagons intensively in this thread. At the beginning of the year, DTG always plans what routes and trains are to be developed for the following fiscal year. Due to the fact that people always read along diligently, our wish should definitely find consideration. ;)
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    The roadmap stream is on the 8th December
     
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    It's likely to have been an edited screenshot. It still needs a base route, so depending on what the route is, you can tell what the loco actually is
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    There are way too many screenshots and in a quality too good, to be a fake. It seems someone has found a way to import models. But according to DTG, it has nothing to do with them or the upcoming route.
     
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    This was posted on thread about 111 by andypancakes#9823
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    I don't know what holiday express is but BRO looks to be new german route
     
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    BRO = Bremen-Oldenburg
     
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    I might be putting 2+2 together and getting 9.76 but with chocolate coins linking to Christmas & Cadbury World and holiday express reminding me of the polar express which includes a steam train, Im getting that we are seeing a Christmas themed Steam DLC for Birmingham Cross City.

    Mixed feelings to see that it looks like the BR155 is going to be standard on BRO, happy because I love to drive it, sad because it feels like devalues the original loco DLC
     
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  30. rennekton#1349

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    There was actually a separate game that was released by dtg during the tsc era. It was like a christmas themed experience with visual effects and collecting stuff and stuff like that. You didn't need tsc to run it, but it sold for $9.99 on steam, so it could be a remake of that.

    And hopefully the 155 is improved this time around with new sounds and physics
     
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    Huh. Interesting, I kinda wish we would learn about these news via some other channel, like AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT and not via these leaks.
    What is the tally up to now?
    - Niddertalbahn
    - BOB / BRO with 110, 155 and n-wagen
    - Holiday Express
    - Birmingham was discovered via leaked achievements as well...

    Oficial announcement one or two weeks prior to release is not enough time in my opinion.
     
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    Well its still half an hour run so
     
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    It's certainly a weird marketing approach, that's for sure.
    Maybe they used up that part of the budget with the SoS and TSW3 releases earlier in the year?
     
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    Just to contribute to the evidence we already have on the new route, the PS4 update history screen shows “Version 1.15 - Support for Bremen-Oldenburg release”.
     
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    You're forgetting the big TSW3 leak itself. I swear DTG need to get into politics.
     
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    Honestly, a BR 110, n-Wagen and a new livery and operator for the BR 155 does me perfectly fine. Looking forward to this. Seems like it even might come before christmas :)

    As for the BR 111, what is even going on there?
     
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    Two completely different and unrelated things, the 111 is a revised 112 model as per the creator, see the PS forums.
     
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    Got to say despite the apparent shortness of the route, I'm really stoked about it. Assuming no major issues it'll find its way into my collection.
     
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    Great to finally see the BR 110 in TSW, together with n-Wagen.
    When I first heard of Bremen - Oldenburg I wasn't excited at all, but 110 + n-Wagen could make this a first day buy for me. Only thing bothering me is the blue PRESS 155 - those appeared only a few years after the last BR 110 were scrapped.
     
  41. Mich

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    Taking a screenshot of a program takes very little time, hell, even consoles have dedicated screenshot buttons nowadays. And it certainly doesn't cost anything, considering on Windows you have stuff like the Screen Snip built in, plus tons of other free options you can download. You don't need budget to this type of stuff.
     
  42. rennekton#1349

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    In terms of the 155, it's probably to see different liveries even if not the most accurate. Like the railpool 185 on dcz which dtg did to show it off in a different livery than just reuse db red all the time.
     
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    agree. It might not be that realistic and the oldest picture of a Br155 in the Press livery I could find is from April 2014, but it won’t bother me; I mean: There are no Br182 in the Dispolok livery in 2022 and it is still driving on SKW in TSW, soo…
     
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    Found something:

    upload_2022-11-28_21-40-15.jpeg

    The Br110 also operated IC services (this picture was in 2013)
    Maybe we will also get the possibilities to use the loco there :D
     
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    And an n wagen cab car at the other end that will look cursed
     
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    or a Dosto :0
     
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    At least this new BR155 Press version will be updated according to the latest TSW3 standard and can be painted in the livery editor. So the older BR155 model from RSN then no longer needs to be edited. I think the CC disaster with the BR111 mod from tonight just made me pretty insecure, but it seems certain that Bremen-Oldenburg will definitely come. But a BR110 with n-wagons would be awesome! It also justifies the meanwhile higher DLC pricing. Crazy all the time we advertise n-wagons in this thread and then they come much earlier than expected. It's a pity that the community managers are always sentenced to silence, otherwise they could have patted us on the back and said we're on the right track... ;)
     
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    DB BR 110 with n-Wagen and Press BR 155 coming with Bremen-Oldenburg.
    BR 111 is a mod, which some people used to troll the community, as everyone was expecting to hear anything about Bremen-Oldenburg.
    The mod is not publicly available.
     
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    Really really looking forward to the 110. Was one of my favourite to be included old E-Locos for the game. Now we finally see it. Together with some old n-Wagen and a cab car this will be good. I just hope the sounds also represent that its a rather old loco. Screeching brakes, loud fans and stuff like this would be really appreciated.
    Also stoked about the 155, hopefully its a little more up to date now. Always enjoyed driving it, but when driving it now compared to the other locos which are newer you really get a feel for its ingame age.
     
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    well, it looks like Bremen-Oldenburg will be the new route for Germany in TSW3.
    It's obvious that the Bremen s-bahn will be represented in one way or another. The RS3 line runs from Bremen hbf to bad Zwischenahn, just 12 km further from Oldenburg.

    It would be wonderful if DTG would extend the route to Bad Zwischenahn and thus be able to enjoy the s3 line from Bremen in its entirety. There are only 2 stations from Oldenburg to Bad Zwischenahn, so it wouldn't be a lot of modeling work.
    As for rolling stock, the Bremen s bahn uses the db br 440 and a few flirts, none of which are currently in the game.
    But I wouldn't mind if they did as they did with the s-bahn in köln, use the db br 422 with a repaint of the s-bahn in Bremen
     
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