Out Now Bahnstrecke Bremen – Oldenburg, Out Now!

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  1. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    With many locos, the game allows you to go over the max speed allowed for the train which you shouldn't actually do since it can cause problems in real life I believe.
     
  2. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    Normal behavior. The locos top speed is not 140. 140 is just the allowed speed. These locos were made to run 160 and are able to run even 180 technically. And as i said somewhere else, you could even run 200 or more, technically seen. It's not allowed of course. B ut possible and not a wrong behavior.

    For the brakes. They can't really be different in the same train. Simply because the same stuff happens no matter if you are on the loco or on the cab car. The brake lever only controls the main air pipe directly, the loco uses e-brake with blending (also also driven from the cab car). There is no difference in what pressure is released or applied to the main air pipe. So, can only be a feeling that it is weaker on the cab car, OR you forgot to cut off the others end brake valve correctly (then the brakes really feel weaker).
     
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  3. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    For the N-wagen it has G P & R brakes. Oddly I was able to finish a service using a mix of P & R Brakes or some cases whole train P brakes. Does anyone here know why the N-wagen has this selector? Dostos are only P R & R+Mg
     
  4. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Appreciate the clarification. With regard to the braking, on a subsequent run it wasn't so noticeable so maybe I was just enjoying the cab car so much I left it a little late. Anyhow great work Maik, just a shame we didn't get a slightly longer or more challenging route to try the 110 and N's on. A "Legends of the DB" for RSN or MSB style pack would be nice...
     
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  5. Fitz

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    Anyone else find the brakes on the Press 155 very harsh. The brakes on the Press 155 are very different to the RSN 155.

    I'm finding, I don't need to use anymore than the step 1 brake setting and even with the brake force selector set at 30% it is very harsh.
     
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  6. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Now you're the chap to know the answer to this one. Many years ago (1983 I think), caught a train from Innsbruck to Garmisch. It was N stock in ocean blue and cream livery with the old style hard plastic seats. Definitely worked by a DB electric loco but trying to recall if that might have been a 110. Sadly my notes from the trip long since lost - it is, after all, 40 years ago next year!
     
  7. JustWentSouth

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    I tried it on a freight run on SKW. Despite dialing down the break effort to about 15%, it would still slow a relatively heavy train down at minimum brake application on a 1 to 1.5% grade.

    I must admit that I don’t have much experience with the old 155. It took the 110 for me to get hooked on old school German electrics.
     
  8. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Probably due to new physics. But I'm not sure how strong it's actually supposed to be
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Most likely a 139 (a 140 refitted with dynamic brakes), although by the 80s 111s were also working the line. In 1983 the 110s would still have been running express Schnellzüge, while the Garmisch-Mittenwald-Innsbruck line was decidedly local (and slow)- hence the n-Wagen rather than something posher.

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  10. solicitr

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    The 110s were built for 160, but limited to 140 because their bogies were of dubious safety at high speed (the E10.12s/112s had the same mechanicals but different HS trucks).
     
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  11. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    That can mean the regional & commuter version the DB Baureihe 141 Knallfrosch. Also fits Bremen Delmenhorst Oldenburg and international version Bremen Oldenburg Leer Deutschland Niederlande Bad Nieuwschans Groningen route.
     
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  12. solicitr

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    I don't believe the 141 worked that particular line, because the significant mountain grades called for the 139's dynamic brakes.
     
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  13. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the answer was the same locomotive also used to carry the military train Within Garsmich Partenkirchen or not? If yes then it's also used for the military train Frankfurt/Bremerhaven to West Berlin which you should remember to the same DB Baureihe 139 runs to Helmstedt where it is replaced by an upcoming diesel locomotive DR Baureihe 132 Helmstedt Marienborn West Berlin Zoologischer Bahnhof or West Berlin Charlottenburg Bahnhof since those were the endpoints of the American Military train from Frankfurt and Bremerhaven.
     
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  14. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    A couple of issues:
    Seems this route suffers from the dreaded red signal bug after loading a save - see the report I just put in the Save Game thread in technical reports.
    Also some of the level crossings have cars passing through the barriers when they are down right in front of trains.
     
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  15. colinL

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    Pity that they didn't introduce more fixed in yesterdays patch...
     
  16. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    It certainly seems a case of back to square one so far as save game bugs are concerned. Fortunately most of the runs are short enough to do in one go, just on both the occasions I had an issue started then something else called and bang. However it does prevent trying to do things like working an entire shift, saving as you go.
     
  17. colinL

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    Yeah exactly. Whats bothering me the most is the hella bright taillight of the BR425 and the non audible airbrakes in the BR110 now. Funnily enough, the airbrakes were audible before the latest patch. So they introduced something new.
    Anyways, those two things are basically the only things bothering me. Maybe the resetting PIS board in the cabcar as well. But other than that its perfect for me.
     
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  18. traindori

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    Still great models, I love these trains...

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  19. traindori

    traindori Well-Known Member

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    Oh who got lost there?

    Thanks for the great repaint and mod (replace of 612 to 628 in verkehrsrot).

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  20. OpenMinded

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    Where did you find this mod and does it keep the mind green livery on NID? Looks great!
     
  21. traindori

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    This way:
    https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...kins/c67-european/i3428-br628-db-regio-livery

    There are multiple possibilities: You can "keep" the mint green 628 for the Niddertalbahn, yes (or replace it with the red one). The textures are really sharp and of high quality, no comparison to the more mediocre ones in the Creators Club. :cool:
     
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  22. bdobronz1968

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    These are the moments i'm really getting jealous of you PC guys! :D
    I've hoped that the 628 would be a substitute for the 612 at BRO after the release, but since it is the wrong version for this era, this wish was not forefilled.
     
  23. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    As this thread just got resurrected seems like an opportune moment to ask DTG when or indeed even if, the vehicles not stopping at closed road crossings is getting addressed? Or has this route already joined the increasing stack of “former” DLC that is no longer going to receive any fixes or updates?
     
  24. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    The 628 didn't run on bro in real life either. Also it's acceleration and top speed is too slow for bro. Already explained by Maik himself
     
  25. OpenMinded

    OpenMinded Well-Known Member

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    What train did the br612 represent again? I was under the impression that is was the 628, no?!
     
  26. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    Should be a 642/643 or something, but no 628.
     
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  27. OpenMinded

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    Thanks, must have mixed it up then. Was certain that it was mentioned in some stream that it was a 628. But it’s true, the timetable is pretty tight with the 120kph max… but still doable.
     
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  28. Joethefish

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    They're pretending to be BR 648s that we do not have in TSW. You can see one at Bremen Hbf next to a BR 110 in this video:
     
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  29. solicitr

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    Alstom Coradia LINT (BR 648):

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  30. Joethefish

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    That's a BR 640 (LINT 27). The BR 612s on BRO are pretending to be the articulated version, the BR 648 (LINT 41):
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  31. FDL-16

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    Really love this route! Check out my screenshots from it.
     
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