PC European Diesels

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  1. denizmert

    denizmert Member

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    Why are there only a few (continental) Eurodiesel in the game, namely only the G6/DB BR 363 shunting locomotive? BR 185 and the Talent have diesel versions, but only the electric versions is available in the game. Furthermore, the Class 66 is also used on non-electrified lines in Germany.
     
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  2. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Make a suggestion on what the trains are and where they would run. I don't know these trains and have no interest in them if you don't explain and complain they are not in game. No one is ever going to be happy. Why isn't this loco or route included. Creating diesel versions is a whole new locomotive with new physics, sounds, variations, licenses, whether they are able to get reference material, etc. You get what you get and you just wait until the trains you want get released.
     
  3. Hiro Protagonist

    Hiro Protagonist Well-Known Member

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    There's also the Class 612 on Tharandterrampe, but the reason why you don't see many main-line diesels is because all the routes in-game are electrified, so there's no real need for them.
     
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    Fitz Well-Known Member

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    There is the Db 232 loco coming for the RSN.

    But personally I'd like a route with the UK class 68.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    There are two routes where it can fit both are TSC and requested for TSW 3 Fife Circle and Chiltern Mainline
     
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    Monder Well-Known Member

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    I am baffled that there are so many British C66s, but not one German version. It would basically be free content (not for free, but easy to make) and there are so many private companies having them you could basically print german mainline diesels with it
     
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  7. e.leerentveld

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    There's also the BR204.

    Unfortunately, the BR185.5's diesel versions (the BR245 and BR285, the first for passenger use the latter for freight) are quite different, and would require a remodelling of the body, the cab and completely different controls.

    The BR245 and BR285 are of a later generation TRAXX than the BR146.2 and BR185.5 are. Other than slight cosmetic changes to the body shell, the biggest differences are the controls. While the BR146.2/185.5 have traditional throttle and brake levers, the BR246/285 have a toggle quite similar to the BR187 (but not entirely the same).

    There is no diesel version of the Talent 2 in real life (one was planned, but never ordered by DB or other companies). There IS a diesel version of the Talent I, but that's a quite different train.
     
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    The BR 294 was ubiquitous in TSC. I find it weird we don’t have it in TSW3 yet.
     
  9. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Good point and for the Talent I diesel version is called the DB BR643. Does fit SKA from Stolberg Rheinland to Aachen Hbf as the Euroregiobahn paint
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    When it comes to the DB BR245/285 are they compatible with N-wagen or not? if Yes add them in RMV paint for Frankfurt Am Main Hbf Niddertalbahn services
     
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  10. e.leerentveld

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    Depends on what you mean with "compatible". Sure, they can pull them and power them (heat and lighting), but the Karlsrüher köpf control can car included with the BR110 in TSW3 is not compatible with the BR245, BR246 or BR285.

    The other control cab car that was used with n-Wagen (Wittenberger köpf) is compatible, but that's currently not available in TSW3.

    In real life, the BR245 push-pulls dostos with a dosto control cab car that is compatible. There was a short transitional period on some lines where the combination of a Wittenberger köpf and a BR245/BR246 was used, and you can still occasionally spot the weird "camel train" constructs of a Wittenberger Köpf in front, dosto A and B cars in the middle and a BR245/BR246 in the back (but not often).

    About the BR245 and BR246
    The BR245 has four smaller diesel engines powering the generator instead of one big one like in the BR246 (and BR285). The idea is that some of the engines can be shut off if the power requirement allows for it, thus saving fuel and limiting exhaust. Both the BR245 and BR246 are capable of running at 160 km/h.

    In Germany, the BR245 is operated by DBAG and the BR246 is operated by both DBAG and Metronome.

    About the BR285
    The BR285 is a freight loco and never (or perhaps rarely) seen in front of a passenger train. It doesn't help that DBAG / DB Schenker doesn't own any BR285s to my knowledge. The BR285 differs from the BR246 only in gear ratio, where the BR246 is optimised for speed (vMax of 160 km/h) while the BR285 tops out at 140 km/h but offers greater torque.

    About n-Wagen
    In real life, n-Wagen cars have all been phased out by DB, so you won't find them other then in museum runs. A couple, including Wittenberger köpf cars, are running for National Express in Germany though, but not in the livery seen in TSW3. Earlier this year, after Abellio Germany went ti... errr... belly up, you could spot these (with an electric loco though) in Northrhine Westfalia.

    Background:
    The n-Wagen control car that comes with the BR110 in TSW3 is a so-called Karlrüher köpf model. The Karlrüher köpf control cars come in two variants: one for controlling electric locomotives and one for diesels. They look almost identical from the outside, but the controls for the driver are very different. Obviously the variant included with the BR110 in TSW3 is the electric variant.

    You'd think that the diesel variant of the Karlsrüher köpf would be compatible with the BR245/246/285 (since they are diesels), but strangely it is not.

    The BR245/246/285 (as well as the BR247, the BR248 dual mode and the newer electric locos BR146.5, BR147, BR186, BR187 and BR188) require a more modern control system and are not compatible with the older system. Control cab cars that do offer the newer control system include the Wittenberger köpf and the dosto control cab car that comes with most German TSW routes.
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    From the post helpful and I'm wondering what does cab look like on a diesel version Karlsrüher Köpf perfect match for Bahnstrecke Frankfurt am Main Glauberg Stockheim Niddertalbahn
     
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    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    It would be nice to see some more DB diesel types - 212, 216 and 218 plus of course the famous 221 similar to the UK Class 42 "Warships". However sadly it seems the German audience is largely content with it's diet of mostly modern electric locos and multiple units.
     
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    Guten Tag said the train.
    A new German Diesel has entered the arena! TSW3_2023Teasers_.png
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    218 is a possibility but that really depends on if tsg wants to do it. Since the 218 is an older locomotive and the routes are modern making it feel out of place
     
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    218s are still in service. Like the Class 37, it’s just too useful to scrap
     
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  16. e.leerentveld

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    This is the driving cab of the diesel version of the Karlsrüher Köpf.

    The biggest difference is the traction wheel, which mimics the one found in the BR211/212 and BR216/217/218, locos that this type of driving cab is compatible with.

    In the electric version, you'll find a step changer "lever" in its stead, as shown here.

    The rest of the dashboard is different too of course.

    The Wittenberger Köpf has a completely different cab, which resembles modern locomotives a bit more (traction lever, brake lever) and is built to be compatible with disel locos, electric locos and modern day polyphase sync electric locos (BR146.5 and newer) as well as the BR245/246 and BR285 which, although technically diesel powered, are in fact polyphasic sync electric locos that carry their own diesel powered generator(s) with them.

    I can't find a photo of it online, but here's a screenshot depicting it from the-other-simulator-that-shall-not-be-named which I can vouch for looks very realistic.
     
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