I think it's coincidence or something. I mean we don't have those lovely locomotives in game and if there's anyone can replicate the loco in high quality, it's tsg lol. The problem then becomes that the old diesels are anachronistic since they don't actually run on the line or out of place with the era the route is set in. I remember tsg saying something about that.
There’s a mod that enables the 612 to be drivable on RE3 services. PC of course and it’s found on Train Sim Community.
Wie du in Maik's folgender Nachricht lesen kannst, kommt der 420 nach der Route. Also hab einfach mal Geduld und warte. Wir alle wollen den 420 haben, aber Maik kann sich nicht klonen. Ich bin mir sicher, er arbeitet so viel wie er kann. Er ist halt auch nur ein Mensch.
he just repeated what Maik said in the qouted post: The Br420 is coming after the Route, we all would like the Br420 but Mike is only human and one person; so nothing new! But yes, we still have to post in English so lets keep that up guys!
Out of curiosity will there be any support for the G6 & 232 for this route? Not that familiar with German stock, so not sure if it would be reasonable to expect them. Also while this doesn't seem like something TSG would do releases like GWR 70's pack. the CSX SD40, and ATSF F7 coming from DTG a engine not being a perfect match for a route doesn't rule it out. So regardless I think it's worth asking just to get a answer from Maik. Also somewhat unrelated, but is the 232 still planned for Ruhr Sieg Nord? Or is that being considered for a different route at this point?
Arent they playable anyway with the 612 on DCZ? Pretty sure you can do those in normal Timetable mode. Or am i missing something here ?
Got something interesting to share here. Today's update brought in a new depot, numbered 2101382. This depot has a very small download size at only 1.44 GiB. Bigger than a typical loco add-on, but small than routes such as West Somerset Railway (1.69 GiB) and even the Training Center route that comes with the base game (1.47 GiB, if you're only counting Training Center alone). I bring this up because I believe this is the depot for Niddertalbahn, considering that it's such a small route (only 19 miles or 31 km long) plus the fact that it's mainly a single track branch line for the most part, I can't think of this being anything else other than Niddertalbahn, unless it's an even smaller route that we don't know off yet. Of course, I expect this size to change before release, but it's something worth keeping an eye on.
Could however be the Acela, which will be big for a loco (since it actually is a whole consist of multiple cars)
I doubt it personally. I leaning more towards depot 2101400 being the one for Acela potentially. Especially considering that I've caught it being updated alongside Boston Sprinter in the past, but we'll see on that. EDIT: Should also mention that the average loco add-on doesn't usually go bigger than around 300 MiB. The largest standalone loco add-on right now is at 291.54 MiB, which is for the New Journey's SD40 (which I find personally very strange).
Well, I mean wasn't the Niddertalbahn leaked like back in summer in a TSW3 preview stream? If so, I think its plausible that it could be announced in the very near future and be released before Christmas then. Could potentionally explain the uploaded depot as well.
Brightened up the new screenshot to give us a proper look at the DB BR 628, presumably part of the Niddertalbahn route. If you look closely, the individual unit number next to 628 appears to be a blocky placeholder. There’s probably still some work left to do, so don’t be surprised if we don’t immediately get news at the beginning of 2023!
The 628 is an all time favorite of mine for so many times. On the real world as well as model railrailroad. Having it in the game, as well as in this rather than the red livery makes me very, very happy!
If you want to see what is actually next to the semaphore signals it's going to be Punktförmige Zugsbeeinflussung which is also used on Hamburg S-Bahn PZB
What's not to love? Semaphores and the Br 628... What a nice combination, and in mint green on top! I'm very excited for this
You are correct furthermore it's also used in Austria Which can actually explain to why some routes have the ES64U2 Locomotives ÖBB1116/1016 run Sleeper Trains on Köln-Aachen Hannover Kassel Würzburg & Main Spessart Bahn EN420 421 trips High Speed services Hauptstrecke München-Augsburg these are RJX66 63 IC112 Blauer Enzian.
Given that there are no diesel freight engines in the game for Germany - except the 204, which does pull some light local freight - I would say that's the case. Unless a layer is included for the future 232.
Good point but if Nidderalbahn was set in the 1980s then a DB BR 218 will do freight because the 232 was an East German locomotive the DR Baureihe 132. DB BR 204 is also a GDR locomotive where it's known as DR Baureihe 108 110 111 112 114 & 199.8 took this from the German wiki.
The route code indicates a set timeframe between 1991 and 2010. where did you get the 80s from? Was this changed somewhere?
I think that came from the sneak peek picture, which shows a 628 in mint green; i.e. originally Bundesbahn livery; he may have assumed an 80s date from that. Türkis did however remain in use until 1998, after the merger and within the 6 date code.
Ok, makes sense. Agreed, the livery fits quite well in both periods. Also, as it took them quite long to get rid of this livery. Speaking of the preview picture, was the 628 only shown in this livery? I seem to remember another picture in which it was red?! I could be wrong, though…
Hmmm. I think this is the first ever time we‘ve seen the BR 628. The leaked menu image of the Niddertalbahn from back in August showed a DB red BR 612, and TSG has shared multiple screenshots of his work-in-progress DB red BR 420 in the past, so perhaps that’s what you’re thinking about.
I wonder if that new 628 will sub into the 612 on Bremen-Oldenburg. IIRC the 612 is currently a standin for a missing two part DMU type, but I can't remember if that js the 628 or some later DMU. What DMU was operating alongside the BR 110 and 425 on Bremen-Oldenburg in real life? And do you guys think a mint green 628 is a better substitute for that than a red 612?
As far as I know, the mint green livery was only used until the late 1990s, but Bremen-Oldenburg is set in the mid-late 2000s, so that would already rule out such a substitution by default.
As far as I know mint green was no longer the official livery from 1997 onwards, but some coaches and DMU's survived in that livery until the early 2000's, as repaints only happened during the big inspections. Around 2003/4 pretty much all was gone though, as far as I know. Still, I feel like it might be more realistic to see the right train in the wrong livery than the wrong train in nearly the right livery (as the 612 currently has a Franken-Sachsen Express livery).
Makes not much sense to sub in a 628 for a 612. They are not nearly the same thing. 628 has way less power, no NeiTEC, and only 120km/h max speed (if it ever reaches it, downhills ^^). Would not fit into the schedules of a 612.
The 628 is, however, way more awesome than a 612. Sure, I'd be running late, but at least I'd be running late in style
Yeah, to sub it in on say Dresden Chemnitz makes no sense at all, but the 612 is currently on Bremen - Oldenburg, where it makes not a lot of sense, though it's better than no DMU services. I was inquiring as to whether the 628 would make more sense here. Conclusion seems to be no though.
Don't they have any heritage 628s they do railtours with? :P I mean, I understand TSW being realistic, but sometimes I wish it was a little less strict on which trains I can drive on my routes... Unfortunately scenario creator takes a long while to set up if you want some decent AI traffic.
It's the 648 that runs on bremen oldenburg after a quick google search. Even though Joe included a 612 to represent the 648 services, he doesn't really think it was a good decision since they are completely different locomotives.
But perhaps there could be a retroactive replacement, as was done with the 375 > 465 on SEHS, and the 422 > 423 on SKA.
You are absolutely correct because that's what I was thinking with the paint scheme on DB Baureihe 628. The electrified section Frankfurt am Main Hbf Bad Vilbel would have seen DB Baureihe 420 cream and orange paint S6 Friedberg S5 Friedrichsdorf
The BR612 is used as a stand-in for the BR640/648 (LINT 27/41 respectively) that actually operated on that route in the late 90s/early 2000s. Those are much more modern D(M)Us and only ever ran in traffic red with DB (although other operators operate it in other liveries). The BR628/BR629 and its single unit brother BR627 could be seen all over Germany though, both on unelectrified lines as well as local services that shared track with electrified lines but ended in an unelectrified section (like the Moselweinbahn from Bullay to Trarbach). They're fun to drive and fun to ride as a passenger too. It's a bit like what a British Rail Pacer (for British fans) could have been when properly executed.
We actually still have DB BR 628s working hard in the region! I regularly see them at Landshut Hauptbahnhof, where they do the services on the slow and non-electrified line towards Mühldorf. Might have to take a ride just to experience it in real life before the DLC comes out Edit: While we’re speaking about the rolling stock… let’s talk about layers. I came to the conclusion that none whatsoever are possible because of the timeframe, right? The only thing that might work is the blue DB BR 363. TSG have stated that a BR 218 - which would be very accurate as these locos powered the Doppelstockwagen consists on the route in the past - might come down the line after the 420 and 232 loco DLCs are released. The 218 would need appropriate vintage Doppelstock wagons to arrive alongside it, though.
Recently stumbled across this lovely old video of a cab ride on the Niddertalbahn! The timelapse seems to be set at just the right speed and contains helpful info such as station names and river crossings, but thankfully no annoying music, which makes for a very enjoyable viewing experience.
The Bad Vilbel station is electrified (because it's also a station on the Frankfurt S-bahn line 6 and the Main-Weser-Bahn). The BR420 ran on both lines, so could at least be seen at the station in game. Nidderau is also electrified, as it's also a station on KBS 633. During works on the high speed line, ICE 1 trains ran through that station a few times a day in the 90s and 2000s, but the livery of the ICE 1 currently in the game is too modern for the era in which the route will be depicted in the game. And they only ran through Nidderau; they didn't stop there of course. But other than that and the BR363: no. There currently is no period correct rolling stock in TSW3. The dostos could be repainted in white/green and white/blue, but there's no suitable traction to operate on the line itself until/if the BR218 is released (again, stationary at Bad Vilbel with a BR110 could work: the Frankfurt region was one of the few places where 110s pulled dostos in the early 90s, but I'm not sure they ever made it as far as Bad Vilbel though). And even then: the Niddertalbahn is a local route: in real life, a combination of BR218 and dostos wouldn't be seen on it. In fact, the BR218 might even be too heavy for the track bed. EDIT: I just found out, by looking at this cab ride, that BR218+dostos did in fact run on the line in the early 2000s. So they might have done in the early 90s too. EDIT 2: I just noticed (in the cab ride video) that the Niddertalbahn is equipped with IR-gun operated level crossings. This could be a cool feature in the game: point an IR-gun at a receiver to close the barriers and then cross with the train. EDIT 3: And it looks like BR218 and n-wagen were a common site on the Niddertalbahn too. Now if we could get a Wittenberger Köpf control cab car and someone could repaint the (future) BR218 into the purple-red livery...
Unfortunately, the third-gen Dostos currently in the game did not yet exist in the route's time period; they were first put into service in 1997/98. Back in the mint-green era the Dostos in service were the very different looking second-gen (all of which, incidentally, had high doors, unlike the low-door TSW Dostos).
