Here's the other possibility if they include Stirling/Alloa/Dunblane services . These can be done if the route is done similar to the TSC route. they run both 385 and 385/1 in these services. The player service would end at stirling with AI continuing the service to Alloa and Dunblane. this is similar to what was done on the London commuter route with some 10,15, 25, 30, and 40 minute playable services. For freight hope we have the grangemouth siding docks and sidings
I can’t see Rivet do this, seriously can you? It will be Glasgow to Edinburgh via Falkirk and won’t include Stirling and Alloa. Would have been great but from Rivet no way! Rivet should have no issues or absences re scenery issues as the route is in their backyard!!!
Let's hope that since It's in their backyard they come out and surprise us all. We can at least dream about until the official route is announced. But I agree, most likely we will get just the 92 services of the Glasgow/Edingurgh via falkirk high that i posted earlier
To be fair, I could probably see it being done by Rivet, they are very good at the route building aspect.
Even if we don't get Stirling, it would be nice to have the relatively short addition of the lines via Falkirk Grahamston, Camelon and Larbert for better playability of Dunblane/Alloa services (or these would be driveable only as far as Croy and Polmont). It would also add the stretch of line passing the Falkirk Wheel (a notable landmark on this route).
Something that I'd consider critical that Rivet have fallen flat on before - please don't use AI precalculated timings for the intermediate timetable stops! All timetable stops should be as per reality (a busy WTT) and use specific, manual input timings throughout. This is one of those things that seems like a small area but could really make or break a busy route.
If they did Dunblane/Alloa playable services from Glasgow to Croy would be about 10 minute service, to Larbert is around 25 min.total of around 122 services one way. Edinburg to Larbert would be around 45 minutes for a total services around 77 one way.
Still gutted that this has been done in the modern era, however if it networks properly and features the HST then it could be interesting. I have reinstalled TSW3 as I am hoping the steam physics get attended to. If this route has more than one type of train operating and has a decent amount of services then it may be worth a look. With one hand on the refund button of course.
I wouldn't say we wouldn't have any diesel Stock to fill up, We do have the HST from GWR which can be used as a place holder after all
Based on this… perhaps the ScotRail HST has some exterior differences compared to the GWR HST (apart from the paint job obviously) that could be noticeable in the development screenshots you mentioned?
They are, JD commented on one of the treads thats the steam physics will get attention/ patched before the Rivet Enhancement pack gets released.
Yes. On the ScotRail HST there are eletric sliding doors. A gaurds pannel in first class. Scottish seats inside and a Scottish pattern on the carpet. First class similar to GWR but without the yellow GWR walls and logo. More seats. Blue cloth on the seats. Gaurds pannel. Toilets. Table with refreshments. PIS in all coaches. First class has 1x2 seats and standard class has 2x2
With a little rework Rivet could drop the Hst as a loco dlc on the market together with the launch of their route. They just have to get a little creative, beside the services they could add depot moves, empty stock movements etc., which i highly hope for the 385 trains too. In my opinion not only tsw alone needs to improve, also the way things get on the market. Why has it be always the same way? Launching a Route with a loco dlc for the released route does make sense to me, in the case of a hst there are exGWR units, so they have to do rather a small amount of work / effort to bring.....yes another new type of train to tsw.
looking at today's schedule from Edinburgh and Queen street via Falkirk, They are using both the 385 and 385/1. Looking at the description for 1R03 17:45 service to Queen street it says 385028 and 385023 have first and standard class. On the 1R07 1815 service to queen street which uses 1 set of 385/1 it also says it has first and standard class. If this is correct the both 385 and 385/1 have first class?
Only the 1/s have first class. RTT will say both first class and standard class available because technically it exists on the /1.
I'll take any Scottish route with the 385. I think it's one of the most awesome looking trains ever built.
The 385/0s DON'T have First Class The 385/1s DO have First Class The reason RTT states a E-G diagram as first and standard class seating is because the E-G diagrams are booked mostly for 385/1s which as stated above, has First Class whereas the 385/0s don't, so regardless of subclass, RTT will always say First and Standard Class seating
Is that sarcasm? I like them too but they have a face only a mother could love. I'm really sick of people expecting Rivet to pay special attention to scenery as it's "in their backyard". DTG botched the scenery on their local route so I don't see why Rivet will be any different.
Rivet have definitely shown improvement on island line 2022 and luzern sursee doesn't look bad either compared to iow, arl and wcl. They have upped their game. Just gotta see if they can keep it up.
Rivet have definitely shown improvement on each subsequent release, I can't say for the second swiss route, but Ariosa wasn't bad (sure draw distance was low, but it was their first route, not everything is perfect first time and I'd heavily argue anyone who expects such), and the IoW 2022 was a vast improvement over the first one. WCL was quite nicely detailed, I'm not sure all the complaints about there being too many trees was genuine, or people just generally expect cornwall to be a baren featureless wasteland, because of Exmoor and Dartmoor (although, I'm sure if that was the case, they'd still probably complain). Scenery wise, I think the route will be great.
It's too big! I think once he got behind the wheel he enjoyed the luxury. Lamborghini isn't the only company that's guilty of making ridiculously over sized tractors though.
What about the Partick station teaser that came out some time ago? Wouldn't that mean it goes beyond Glasgow Queen Street?
With iow2022 Rivet showed that they can build nice routes and also deliver a good train. Its the first route where they used pis and coupling / uncoupling in service mode, where it actually worked. In Luzern the Stadler Flirt coupling is still broken, cant be done more than one time. Rivet is getting better definetly, so im sure they dont intend to deliver the bare minimum. I see it from the side tsw got 2 modern ac units, which were not from the electrostar family. Going with scotrail was a very wise choice. The entire network in Rivets backyard area has so much potential in tsw for future dlcs.
Are Lambor That was for their train simulator route, not tsw. Rivet loves to post wip shots for dlc they released years ago. But given the screenshots that have been released, it is most likely glasgow to edinburgh
That is no different to DTG though. Look at TVL, a short route where you can't even complete the services along the branch line to to Bishop Auckland which isn't exactly a huge mileage. NTP has no branches to speak of, GWE has no branches, ECW didn't go all the way to Hastings although it did have the Seaford branch I suppose, SOS is a straight route. They made more effort with SEHS but that seems to be an exception. CCL is a nice little network but its route mileage is not huge. They are the same with TSC, WCMLS doesn't even have the Northampton loop. Most TSC routes which are more than a straight line were developed by others.
All of these are old routes, bar SoS and CCL. Remember that no routes had more than an hour's playtime, bar the odd exception. BCC is the first exception to that, with routes being mostly over an hour
New video posted by Rivet confirms that both the 385/0 and 385/1 will be included! https://twitter.com/rivetgames/status/1608531649490464769?s=61&t=84TDLTa2AQp2p4o3r0wJmg
YES!!! That was my I figured from the first teaser that it looked like a 3 car varient. Can anyone figured out the tracks where they might be from?
Because the first image posted shows a small First Class area (yellow outline surrounding a small section of the front coach) which is a 385/1 and in this teaser, it shows a 385/0 (only 3 coaches). So it looks like we could get some mixed formations - 7 & 8 coaches respectively. I’m not sure if they ever run solo on this route?
[ MY earlier post shows the route has 4,7, and eight car formations. Not sure about the 3 on it's own but if they are showing it they is either they are putting it on the queen street and Edinburgh or we have other routes included
The point I was making is that DTG as well as Rivet tend to do point to point routes without many, usually any branches. The time to drive the route is of no consequence.
Worth noting that Stirling barely exists on the TSC one, and that there aren't any scenarios that use it or the F'kirk Grahamston Line
There is no connection between the Edinburgh - Glasgow (via Falkirk) line and the North Clyde/Argyle Lines (which run through Partick), Ed-Gl goes to Queen Street HL, North Clyde goes to the lower. That teaser (which was actually confirmed by rivet to not be a hint) is from Train Sim Classic.
Only because the previous mandate as such, was to keep the routes to around a set time, around an hour, as the save function wasn't reliable and most gamers would only be able to dedicate an hour to a run. But now, that has changed with TSW3 Hence why the newer routes DO tend have branches. Rivet's recent routes have had branch lines WCL has the St Ives branch, which is actually pretty nice to drive, IoW was before SoS so there was no point modeling the IoWSR, and the 2022 remodel was for the 484, so again, no point modeling the steam line. Ariosa was their first line and being halfway up a mountain, doesn't really have the option for branches. I can't say for the other swiss route, as I don't have it. I suspect if anything, Rivet will add a branch to it, because why go backwards?
Where did you read that routes were set to be an hours run? DTG have been doing the same (mainly modelling a straight run) in TSC since its inception as Rail Simulator in 2007, as I said their WCMLS route doesn't even include the operationally important Northampton loop. WCL has the St Ives branch, not 100% accurate but missed out the Falmouth branch. The new Swiss route has no branch lines and is quite short, the IOW doesn't include the steam railway. I wasn't actually having a moan about Rivet myself but referring to another point.
