Upcoming Release Master The Express!

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by DTG Alex, Jan 12, 2023.

  1. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    Or a Quick Drive + Consist Editor like TSC has. Can keep realistic AI but still allow the player to drive any train on any route.

    Agreed. Scenario Planner is too limited to make any interesting scenarios, and too cumbersome to set up a quick basic run.
     
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  2. Purno

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    Rapid Transit has been updated which allowed more trains in, such as the BR143, but also the ICE-3 as AI traffic.
    WSR has been updated to have static consists, as well as services for the Class 101.
    Bakerloo has some freight AI traffic since the timetable update.

    Note that these were also free updates.
     
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  3. mattwild55

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    As I understand it per DTG's previous explanations, building a new timetable is only required when the length of a formation is different (eg. why they had to introduce a new timetable on ECW for the 313).

    So I've asked this in the assumption that it wouldn't be much harder than ticking a box (to replace the 314 with a 3-car 385). If it's more complex than that, I'm happy to be corrected by those in the know.

    Ultimately, as I've said on multiple previous occasions, the strength of TSW is in my view the layering and timetable system - so why wouldn't DTG want to capitalise on this? Perhaps a newer player will pick up this new route, decide they like the loco and pick up Cathcart to have somewhere else to run it - surely that's a win for everyone.
     
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  4. andrewandjane66

    andrewandjane66 Well-Known Member

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    Looking forward to it.
    With regard to the HST layering in, I believe the Scottish ones were rebuilt with powered doors, so that would need to be attended to if the rivet counters were to be silenced.
     
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    I’m glad to see that Rivet have decided to include multiple variants of the 385! Typically any TSW add-on will include just ONE variant of whatever trains they have (such as the 377/4 on Brighton Mainline). It’s not the craziest thing, but just the fact that we have a 3-car 385 AND a 4-car 385 is really awesome.
     
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    Yes that would be an accetable solution.
     
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    Then at most you would have substitution, not layering. The traffic in Glasgow Central would not increase by a single train.
     
  8. Purno

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    No clue why, because I'm still waiting for something that lets me use my Class 33 on something else than WSR... I've become a lot more careful when buying trains that can only be used on one route since my Class 33 purchase...
     
  9. mattwild55

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    Yes - sorry that's what I meant (layering / substitution are all part of the same system in my head). Just having the 385 substitute would be acceptable.
     
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  10. theorganist

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    There is a patch which allows you to use the class 33 on WCL. I did use it and found the class 33 to be one of the best loco's to drive, felt very good rattling through St Erth at 50mph. It deserves it's own route really.
     
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  11. AtherianKing

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    Hoping this route would come at some point, be interesting to see how much of Edinburgh Waverley will be accessible to explore.

    Train announcements have arrived to TSW also

    be keeping eye on this route, and will be looking forward to a preview to see what kind of state (rather highly skeptical of bugs since Bremen route and Rivet don’t seem to update older routes unless they intend to bring a dlc new to them)
     
  12. mattwild55

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    I do think that a Class 33 railtour would be a very good addition to Brighton Main Line or ECW (or both!). It could also make use of the Class 08 stationed at Brighton for piloting duties, and wouldn't necessarily just need to be restricted to the 33 but could use any heritage diesel through the substitution system.

    The only question would be finding space in the timetable for it as Victoria and Brighton are both very busy already and with any luck we'll see a Class 700 too which space will need to be left for on the southern part of the route. I'm sure it would be possible though.
     
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    I'm looking forward to this, should be great and I'll be buying it. However I also can't wait to be told that other rolling stock won't be imported and the 385 won't appear on Cathcart circle. I also can't wait to see an empty Edinburgh Waverley to go alongside St Pancras, Birmingham New Street and Glasgow Central.
     
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  14. SteveRail

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    Yeah you’re correct on that, although I think they were introduced with slam doors when first arrived then gradually updated to powered, so potentially could get away with just the livery, but can’t see it happening tbh.
     
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    As a Scot, I'm amazed how Rivet made this route, I'll tune into the preview stream to see for myself what it's like, well done to Jasper_Rivet and team, great work :love:
     
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    I´m pretty impressed. I would only deforest Calton Hill a little and add The Nelson Monument. Jasper´s mention about "opening areas for the player to walk into" is very promising too. Gentle stroll in the Princes Street Gardens, watching trains go up and down from The Mound...[​IMG]
     
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  17. marcsharp2

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    They were indeed introduced with slam door carriages. Eventually they were phased out and replaced with the sliding doors. FB_IMG_1576938333225.jpg
     
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  18. Rudolf

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    The route is a nice one. I know it from TSC, but only one train type does not do it justice. What layers will be available? Will there be freight trains as well? A pity it is set in present time. We really need more historic routes.
     
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  19. theorganist

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    I am surprised that there isn't a mention of freight as I am sure Grangemouth generates freight.

    I would prefer a more historic version too, but the class 385 looks quite nice and it sounds like it could be quite busy.

    If the sounds and features of the train and route are well made then it could be quite an immersive experience.
     
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  20. junior hornet

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    “As with all Train Sim World routes there will also be a load of collectibles to find, including the locally relevant haggis plushies and bagpipe-themed suitcases”

    Ah, racial stereotyping at its finest. It’s just a shame that after the Cadbury chocolates, we haven’t got deep fried Mars Bars to find. ;)
     
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  21. yambam#1598

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    Will the 3 car 385s be included?
     
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    How is it racial?
     
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    yea, you get both the 3 and 4 car variant.
     
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    yes
     
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    I’m probably the only person to be excited about being able to walk up the ramp onto the street. The one and only time I’ve set foot in Edinburgh was back in the 80s when I had to change trains on the way back from Livingston (for work, not through choice). I had half an hour or so to wait so I walked up the ramp just so I could say I’d set foot in Edinburgh.

    I’ve been to Glasgow a few times though and really like the place. Can’t wait to see Queen Street station.
     
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    I think the terminology has gotten ridiculous at this point.

    Whatever you want to call it, the 385 should be able to appear on CCL in place of the 314 in timetable mode. Even if it's not additional services, it's MUCH needed variety.

    Timetable is the heart of TSW- it's really disappointing when devs skimp on that mode- scenario planner is NOT an acceptable alternative IMO. I honestly think devs coming from a TSC background forget there's no Quick Drive in TSW.

    Hopefully this can be implemented before release.
     
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  27. antony.henley

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    Since its been widely said about it being the Class 385 have you not looked up about the unit and the route before today?

    Hentis
     
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    Interesting that that coach finished out its Great Western days and moved north still wearing blue.
     
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  29. Purno

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    '

    I knew the Class 385 wasn't much to look forward too, so I had hopes there were layers and substitutes to enjoy the new route with.
     
  30. trainsimplayer

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    The 385 didn't exist when Cathcart is set (2014). It's not a Get out of Jail Free card.
     
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  31. Bravo2six

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    I also misread the original comment and came to the same assumption as yourself.

    Some people on here get very upset that DTGs idea of realism isn't the same as theirs, I wouldn't take it to heart.
     
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    You want a train that didn't exist in the era on a route? Let's just throw the 395 as a layer onto Spirit of Steam then!

    This is exactly what Scenario Planner is made for - unrealistic scenarios with different rolling stock. You're basically suggesting we made SP redundant.
     
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  33. trainsimplayer

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    One train that operates 100% of full-length services, and most off-route ones. Excluding Edinburgh ones because that's a whole different ball game.

    Very easy to be pleased when you got nearly everything you can get!
     
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    Some people on here also expect too damn much.

    A 70+ Km route with 2 different sub classes. Just because the announcement article doesn't include additional layers, doesn't mean there aren't any or that it isn't planned for the future.
     
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  35. Monder

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    I might be wrong here, but from what I've seen, the times after 385 introduction and before 314 withdrawal overlap a year or two, so those units meeting shouldn't be a big problem. You could always use 385s as an AI to and from Central to liven up the station.
     
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    The inclusion of an announcement system sounds fun! Well done to Rivet for that alone. Hopefully we will still see the inclusion of Falkirk Grahamston, Camelon and Larbert stations, as it seems like a logical inclusion for the additional gameplay it could bring.
     
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    To be fair, Cathcart Circle is very much the same now as it was in 2014 (maybe a few new buildings but otherwise largely the same). It's a route most would still consider to be modern, so anything to add extra variety to it would be most welcome.
     
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    It does feel like some people have a vendetta against Rivet, and have decided they already don't like it and will find even the most minute of flaws.

    Am I disappointed there likely won't be any additional layers? Sure. But there's still so much to look forward to with this route.
     
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  39. trainsimplayer

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    By the time the 385 was introduced the 314s were rarer on GCC, having shifted to cover the Paisley Canal Line and the Inverclyde Line by then. That's when 380s, 320s and 318s became more visible in Cathcart. So it is still contradictory, regardless of the overlap irl.
     
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    JD hinted at Layers in the Roadmap Stream so looks like there will be layers?


    Stream Link

    Time Stamp - 26:00 - Onwards
     
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    I suspect there will be some freight layers, possibly including the RHTT.
     
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    Yeah My thoughts exactly. A seasonal RHTT and freight. As for the HST this could be controversial as DTG could include the GWR HST but cut down consist to represent the Intercity7 Services. But if left in GWR livery people will not be pleased but the option to use a Livery from the CC could help this but not everyone uses CC. Going to be intereseting if the HST is in it.
     
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    Because the route seemingly doesn't include Stirling, it wouldn't make much sense to include it now since the HSTs run non-stop to here and would therefore be AI only (or making unrealistic intermediate stops for gameplay purposes).
     
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    AI only was what I was thinking it adds extra traffic which is what alot of users want to see.
     
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  45. trainsimplayer

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    I also think many of us don't want GWR Green on a Scottish Mainline.
    I mean, yes, it happened. But this route is set in the present (like, right now)
     
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    Just checked the roadmap, i don't think i can find the JD hinting at layers in it.
     
  47. CowBoyWolf

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    Anyone know why its releasing two days later then usual?
     
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    i personally would regard it as a acceptable exception, I would prefer a busier route over just 385’s and probably Class 66

    wrong livery takes not even close second place over concern of deeply empty Edinburgh Waverley etc
     
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    I think they are doing an article on timetables and layers in the next couple of week. So keep an eye on the forums.

    Hentis
     
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  50. trainsimplayer

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    Waverley likely won't be too bad. You don't see half of it anyway, and the 386 should suffice for what you do see.
     

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