Class 385 Pantograph

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  1. Trainiac

    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    Im shocked to say the least. Call me nit picky but honestly why does it look like that? The rest of the train looks beautiful though
    What it should look like upload_2023-1-24_20-18-47.jpeg
    What it shouldn’t look like upload_2023-1-24_20-20-11.jpeg
     
  2. aeronautic237

    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    I don't get it. The two pictures look the same to me. Would you mind elaborating?
     
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  3. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    If you look closely, lots of it has been simplified. Mostly the small parts and stuff
     
  4. Trainiac

    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    The model is poor. The class 387 has a near identical pantograph as well so in comparison it’s actually terrible
     
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  5. aeronautic237

    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah I see it now. Thank you
     
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  7. Trainiac

    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    Oh excuse me for wanting aspects of the train model to be somewhat accurate. If you don’t care, move on.
     
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  8. stevenwalker1985

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    Dont see any difference.
     
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  9. Crosstie

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    Most of the electrical connections that would transmit power from the catenary to the traction motors seem to be missing.

    I mean I might not have noticed it if my attention hadn't been drawn to it, but now I can't unsee it.
     
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  10. highland beastie

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    I see barely any differnce, and I doubt you'll even notice unless you're looking very closely, which I don't think many people will be doing.
     
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  11. Thorgred

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    I call this a very minor difference detail
    not something to lose sleep about :P

    the only difference i can see are the cables on it and a round object in the middle
    the photo picture is not clear too and different angle
    so can not compare good enough

    I think it is close enough
     
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  12. Bravo2six

    Bravo2six Well-Known Member

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    I....
    Is there supposed to be a difference then?

    Because, I don't see one?

    *insert they're the same image meme here*
     
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  13. byeo

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    If it wasn't pointed out to me what the differences were I wouldn't have any idea so on that basis, I don't care and feel it wouldn't bother the majority.
     
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  14. Haribo112

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    There are literally no differences to the two pictures. I feel like we got a little trolled here.
     
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  15. Jonne1184

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    I would go further than that...

    But if that is something to complain about, the train must be of extremly high quality.
     
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  16. phil.elliott

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    Moments like this make me sympathise with DTG and Rivet.
     
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  17. theorganist

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    I really can't see the issue here, well I can barely see any difference. Most people won't even notice, even though my attention has been drawn to it (but what) I will forget all about it if/when I get the DLC.

    The rest of the train looks really good so for me this won't detract from that.
     
  18. OldVern

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    I suppose it's the principle of what else might have been simplified or fudged that cannot be seen.
     
  19. deeuu#6908

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    [​IMG]
     
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  20. yardem

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    I don't see any difference.
    Let me put my specs on...
    Nope, still nothing.

    But, I will take your word for it, and I will not buy this DLC, based on this particular issue.
    Is that the intended result of this rabble-rousing?
     
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  21. CK95

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    Ehhh, it’s good enough.

    I think that unless you are being very pedantic or are an engineer, you wouldn’t notice this.

    Back when I did my OLEC training with network rail, they show you about as much detail as the second picture, on a grainy black and white print out , so I think we’ll all be fine with it in game.

    I will say that overall the OLE aspect of this DLC overall is a downgrade from BCC, but it’s no worse than what we’ve seen before, and there are a lot of other elements that make up for it.
     
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  22. Haribo112

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    But that’s a dumb principle because it matters on a case by case basis. And also: the pantograph hasn’t been ‘simplified’. It has been accurately recreated.
     
  23. Jamy

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    One for the rivet counters, pardon the pun
     
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  24. stujoy

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    I was scratching my head for this one. I’ve stopped scratching my head as I am no longer confused and moved on to rubbing my beard to give this feedback some more serious thought.

    After a good rummage through the whiskers I have come to the conclusion that it’s a case of having expectations that are far too high rather than there being an issue with the pantograph model. It may not be as intricately detailed as some (who are these people?) would like but it is accurately depicted nevertheless.
     
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  25. yardem

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    Anyone here an entomologist with an opinion on how they modeled those moths?
    Are they realistic? Is their motion accurate?
     
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  26. Bradley

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    Is it game breaking?
     
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  27. theorganist

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    If we are going to extremes of detail the piano had a sharp/flat note missing on the bottom octave!
     
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  28. aeronautic237

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    Wow I feel bad for the OP with all the slander he just received. While it did take me a while to find the differences Trainiac was pointing out, they shouldn't deserve this much trolling for this harmless post.

    (Personally this is partly what stops me from starting threads of my own, but I digress)

    I'm sorry Trainiac.
     
  29. yardem

    yardem Well-Known Member

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    First of all, slander is always verbal, not written. The written equivalent is libel.
    However, the above are neither: there is nothing here disparaging the author, and nothing blatantly false about the author.
    Making jokes about the quality of the simulation was not directed at the OP.
     
  30. Crosstie

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    You know people complain about the color of the ballast, the accuracy of station lights, the height of the grass, the number of trees, missing buildings, indeed all manner of errors that are mostly non game-breaking.

    This simplified pantograph ( and I can clearly see the difference ) is Trainiac's particular red flag. We all have one. Mine is headlights, for instance, which nobody else seems to care about.

    No need for the scorn here.
     
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  31. aeronautic237

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    Is slander verbal? I didn't know that. I just didn't know the word to say.
     
  32. Jonne1184

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    Sorry, but if you start a thread about two tiny missing cables on a nearly invisble location on the pantograph with this:

    You do deserve to be made fun of. It is such a tiny deviation that it took me and seemingly others ages to even figure out what was actually wrong. If you blow up an issue like this in the matter the OP did, you may have to live with the consequences.

    And on a serious note, complaints like these hinder the resolution of actual problems.
     
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  33. This is probably the only time I'm gonna look at the pantograph that closely. I get where your coming from though, the small things matter.
     
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  34. Scotrail156467

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    oh my goodness the dlc is broken now can't play it what I'm i looking at exactly both look the same?
     
  35. Crosstie

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    " If you take care of the small things, the big things take care of themselves. "
    - Emily Dickinson.

    Meaning: Attention to detail is an indication of your overall performance in things that really matter.
    If you get the small things wrong, chances are the big things will be wrong too.
     
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  36. PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix

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    LOL So little stuff and people have to be complaining about it, but that GIF IS SO FUNNY
     
  37. Crosstie

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    I didn't notice this amount of scorn heaped on those who complained that the internal PIS on the 385 has the " wrong font ", or is that a real game breaker?
     
  38. Jonne1184

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    Well the PIS having the wrong colour and font is something a lot more noticable then what we see in this thread.
     
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  39. elric#1386

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    Here are the Differences, pointed out for you. I agree with Trainiac there is no cabling , even down where the two thins are!


    upload_2023-1-27_0-37-12.png
     
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  40. Crosstie

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    Really? And how many TSW players from around the world have the intimate knowledge of this train to be able to notice either of these details?

    But for those who do care about such obscure things as pantograph wiring and PIS fonts, they're important details and they have a right to point them out without being made fun of, don't you agree?
     
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