Money grabbers... and lack of quality or value but see below: BCC Soho Depot Just managed to override the 'represented area' and there is like 50% of Soho Depot built, tracks and AI trains parked there and a partial building. Also, if anyone is interested, it took 6 minutes to drive there from New Street (AI) so I just wanted to clarify to everyone that this section was clearly stalled as they wanted to take your money rather than complete a 2-3 mile section as a proper depot. I am sure I'm not the only user that would express that this was pure laziness and that taking money is the priority over providing quality/value. Although not the greatest quality, see the photos below... I am beyond annoyed and I would like this to be looked into by the Dev team and I'd hope that some other users of this DLC would join me to get this implemented.
Try doing it in a summer month then because for all I can see it could just be trains floating and the area be nowhere near 50% complete!!
Be grateful I told you it was there lol. I'll get you a daylight photo. What would you expect for 50% complete?
Your a legend mate. Sorry if I came across a bit blunt but that has helped me out to put it into perspective and so I would agree in that is about 50% done. Like I say your a legend and sorry for causing you any hassle mate!
It's ok mate, just spreading the word of something that I feel is essential and it takes like 2-3 mins to get to from New Street. If it was like 5-6 miles, perhaps I could have forgiven, but this just ain't on.
Seeing the daytime ones especially the last one I totally agree! That route would be so much better if this was included!
Seeing this does make me quite annoyed. Someone somewhere clearly said get this thing out the door pronto. The devs were clearly working on this section of the route and quite far into its progress by this evidence.
That's actually pretty normal for routes, and I'd put it at closer to 10-20%. It's been said before that track work is usually done around the time that they're still finalising the scope of the project, so it's not unusual to see much more track laid than is actually implemented in the final project. However, I still think it was a big disappointment and missed opportunity that they didn't do Soho depot, especially when they made such an emphasis on including Hunslet Bear in the route, the mascot of Soho depot. While I'd like to see Soho added in the future, for the time being at least, I don't see it being likely as they probably don't have any of the assets modelled for the depot or anything, which doesn't include the work that'd be needed to do the route building for the line to the depot.
It’s more than that given how detailed the line up to the depot is. They haven’t just laid the track there. Why do that?
I think this is just a case of overdetailing. I found that the WCML Trent Valley has a lot of detailing to south of the station for what must be around a 1/2 mile to a mile in the London direction. That image was taken where the invisible barrier is, which is here on the map But then going further with UUU's freecam, the scenery just continued even further All of which, just leads me to the conclusion that DTG just did... well... much more much scenery than they needed to. Cause all of this scenery can't even be seen from Litchfield Trent Valley, not even if you go as far up in the sky as you can with 8 cam and try and find it, as you can see here: So with that in mind, that's all I can really see being the case for the line out to Soho as well, a case of DTG doing much more scenery than is actually needed or is visible from the route.
Yeah, perhaps. I didn't think about that, cause a lot of it looks hand placed, but if DTG has continued evolving the auto gen tools, which they've had plenty of time to do since LGV, then it could very well be that tbh. Like, it isn't the best scenery, but it isn't the worst either.
It seems a waste that they got that far and didn't finish it off. It does seem that they probably went over a given deadline. Having runs to Soho depot would add more immersion and gameplay.
One question. Do the trains used on the route go to the depot on a normal day? I asked this question back when the route was being released, because we knew than that this depot was "in game" as in built etc The answer is that the 323s are generally stabled on the route at night, especially in BHM and a few other sidings or stations on the line, hardly ever going to Soho. There were four possible runs a day showing on RTT and none of them were actioned that week So the point I'm making is, if the depot has little to no USE in game and indeed people would be asking about the depot and route to it being dead, the point in making it accessible would be what?
A nice small peace more to completion and of course the depot runs. Going the extra mile at a short section like this, would never be a waste. Shields depot creates a nice atmosphere running down or up that small line.
It will be exactly the same with Derby on the Peak steam route. Most of the track will be laid but someone in a suit decreed, no time or money in the budget to detail all that, so push out the shorter version. I'm sure this is what happened with BCC as evidenced by the unfinished scenery, missing fencing and broken canal splines and why I will not buy it in that state.
On this: we wanted the depot to be a possibility and as the track is done far ahead of anything else we laid the track for it. However in planning we identified that to scope in the depot properly would have meant detracting time from the rest of the route and we didn't feel that was right, so it was dropped - based on the amount of actual gameplay that would happen there. Some of the dev team have done bits and pieces in that general area, but what is currently there is a long way off 50% complete (closer to 10% complete) and we have no plans at this time to implement it.
So as a paid customer and owner of this DLC, you can't consider the benefits of utilising your preserved crew or whatever they are called to polish up what essentially should already have been included?
For me it would be. THey put in a depot and then run two or three trains to it out of a hundred, but MISS the 200 or more a day that run to or past that depot. Sounds like a waste to me The pres crew to do scenery works?
They already have a huge backlog. They're also responsible for the brand new lighting I think and other stuff. Even if this gets handed to pres crew, could be years before it ever comes out
Hey JD! I am very happy you put your opinion on this, totally understand why you couldn't do it but has their been any other Plans to start doing it or not? Again not a big priority.
I get there was no time left and bcc has a good route with a superb emu, focus on the route was for sure the right choice. To look at this on a different perspective: Soho Depot /scenery addon 5Euro, day 1 from me. Why not go with payware scenery for additional effort. Same with the 2. Branch at riesa dresden.
Excellent overview from what I can see looks like the plan is to get a Birmingham Network completing both Soho Depot and West Coast Main Line Trent Valley.
Why would you bring this idea to a topic where the OP contains the words money grabbers? I do have a question about these assets. How much memory does this unfinished depot utilise and are there many unfinished projects like these on routes?
I still stand by my point. What's your issue with my comment, have you seen the forums and disappointed customers here as of late? It is still the same old story, you can see that the latest Manchester route has a depot, yet they still persist on ignoring our request for ECS services from a local depot. (Approx 2 miles)
A cashgrab for me is a highly underdelivering product way below expected standard, where no effort is done to a paying customer base to fix things what should have be done in the first place (br187 skyhook in my opinion). Bcc is different, good route, very good train and not a particular valid reason why devs should create content for free. So a scenery dlc would be a big plus for me, for somebody cant see a point.., just dont buy it.
Hold up.. What UK route do you know of that doesn't have a depot in TSW as a whole? (Except BCC) So I stand by my comment and that 2 miles of added 'scenery', could and should have been implemented.
I'm not the only person/s with that view. Read my comment above, it's ridiculous not to have a depot, especially when it's based only 2 miles away from the route itself.
Soho Depot along with expanding the route to include Walsall and maybe Wolverhampton would sell very well I think.
Walsall to Wolverhampton is called the Chase line and it is ran by 350's and 323's if I am to be correct. It be a great line and it is a big depot Soho is as well. It does need a depot and new street needs to be busier
Speaking of other assets nearly modelled. In the Leipzig route you can walk to Leipzig Hbf Upper level. It is like an old abandoned station with tracks melting into platforms. If fully modelled, there could be plenty of AI traffic there. I'm sure there must be dostos and IC trains if you have the layers. A through connection to the lower level would also be nice.
