Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

Pardon my sarcasm. Of course I don't want any services removed. I love the BML. Is my favorite route in the game. My point is as other have mentioned numerous time on this thread is the inconsistency when it comes to US content.and when no explanation is given that frustrates.

 

I was actually just thinking about this. They have mentioned unique vehicles are the performance limiter, rather than number of services.

So we'd have for NY-Trenton:
ACS-64
Amfleet coaches
Keystone cabcar
ALP46
Bilevel coaches
Bilevel cabcar

So adding the M3 and M7 would be a 33% increase in vehicles, which doesn't seem trivial, but we've had more total vehicles on routes before, so....who knows lol

 

That's what I feel too. Why not explain why you can't have extra layers? Is it confidential information?

As a customer have the right to know before purchasing a product...

 

This. 100%.
I wish we could talk about the route… cool landmarks, unique stations, personal stories. You know, the type of stuff you usually read before a route comes out.

But on the forums, it’s 100% “my layers are missing!”, which is by all means a valid concern, but I’ve read the same stuff like 500 times now. There isn’t even a properly active discussion thread for this route, it’s all being taken up by complaints.

In the end, missing layers suck, but I’d much rather have that than visual issues, unrealistic train performance, missing core features… remember Edinburgh-Glasgow? I’m just saying the amount of hate and disrespect directed at DTG is perhaps a bit excessive considering wide parts of the route sound really good compared to DLCs like Edinburgh-Glasgow, which was frankly released with an insane amount of issues.

 

How about I start?

One thing that’s got me excited for this route is that picture of the Keystone set with the fireworks that was previewed during the stream. I wonder what scenario that’s supposed to represent?

Another are 3900-series trains. I always had fun operating them in TSC so to be able to do it in TSW is something I’m 100% looking forward to.

 

Any route with freight has a larger number of vehicles

 

Unfortunately the Stream is cancel until Next Monday the 2-20-23, [Removed - Alex - Insensitive] I don't know if this is their excuse of avoiding answer to our respond, or they don't want to be bombarded with lot of hate message and regret while on stream, or if there is someone who is ill, but still they could do a stream with or without that person. Didn't in the past they always do 2 stream one for a preview, and then the other one for the launch day.

 

Well there went that. Won't know much till Monday and see how the route actually looks.

 

It's not just "my layers are missing" if you bothered to read the thread

 

Lets not forget COVID is still with us. And the stream getting pushed back 5 days suggests that could be the reason.

In any case, hopefully they recover swiftly.

 

Thank you JD. Hoping for a speedy recovery for Matt

 

Oh Wow so sorry for Matt, I hope he recovers fast and gets well soon.

 

DTG JD Is the Article Update still happening today?

 

Completely makes sense to postpone the stream if Matt is unwell. He’s usually the one responsible for answering players’ questions, after all, which is a huge part of preview streams.

Ultimately, getting a first proper look at three add-ons less than 24h before they release is kinda problematic nonetheless. Perhaps you could get somebody from the dev team to record some gameplay footage before the weekend, at the very least? A few minutes of footage from all the locos showing off the most important features and some service mode driving. You probably also have the “10 in 10” footage for tomorrow recorded and edited together already. Could we perhaps get that video, at least?

Anyways, and most importantly, get well soon Matt!

 

Praying for a speedy recovery for Matt.

 

Get well Matt!

 

Hope you get well soon, Matt!

 

Hope Matt gets well soon and makes good, speedy recovery.

As for the article tomorrow, I hope we can see pictures of the Multilevel cab car, both in the cab itself and the outside of the car, NYP and other areas of the old route we haven't seen yet, since DTG will be apparently polishing these areas of the route, so will be good to see those changes. Plus, we have seen absolutely no footage or media of the cab car, hence I'd really like to see it tomorrow. Also, would be cool to see some pictures of the Acela in action on NYT too.

 

I know JD mentioned the American Passenger Trains article is releasing tomorrow...... For some reason I thought it was today.......

 

It was originally going to be today, but moved to tomorrow.

 

Let’s please not get this thread locked, it’s lucky enough to have survived 11 pages already.

 

They might have more viewership Monday anyway since it's a federal holiday. I know I plan to watch the whole thing.

 

I think it was (as of yesterday) indeed planned to release today. My hope is that they pushed it to Thursday to add some additional info and footage now that the stream is delayed.

 

Oh, don't worry, we will have those as well, lol. Well, I hope not, but you get the joke.

I am sorry to hear that Matt is unwell. Wishing him the best. Was looking forward to the preview stream tomorrow, but well, it can wait until monday.

 

Let's hope that's the case. I'm a little concern that's a lot of contents to go over for a release the following day.

 

Ideally, you’d have two preview streams. The first one about 1-2 weeks before release, giving a general overview, and the second one just a few days before the DLC comes out, showing the final release build and going a bit more in-depth. Having two streams would also give them the opportunity to rotate hosts and give some screen time to a variety of developers and community managers.
This is how it was done in the past, don’t know why they switched to one stream only. Marketing and communications have essentially improved in all other areas apart from this.

 

Yeah, that would be good. I personally am also not a fan of having the various YouTube and Twitch streamers show the route instead of internal people, but i understand that there's plenty of other productive stuff Matt and the team could be doing.

 

Obvously hoping Matt feels better soon. It's unfortunate timing but that's life, right.

 

I Agree, would love to see the Dev involved with the route building show off the route

 

It is what it is.

In the end, the preview stream being 4/5 days before release makes no more difference than it being 1 day before release.

Adds on manager still not being confirmed is nothing surprising.

Article being pushed back is par for the course.

Overall I’m not disappointed, it’s basically the norm for DTG. I do hope Matt gets better, really sucks being unwell in any form, but this just highlights the issue that anything community facing is overly dependent on Matt.

 

ICE3M on its own is 8 unique vehicles, so that's that for this theory...

 

Yep, and the LIRR M7 is only two technically, an A and B car.

 

Didn't even consider that EMU's contain multiple unique vehicles. It's gotta just be a time/budget issue then. Maybe they'll get added post-release.

 

The M3 as well. It's an A and B car

 

Sorry to hear that Matt isn't well I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

 

There's also an Amfleet cafe car. But that's still way fewer unique vehicles than most freight routes and most German/UK timetables.

 

I'm looking forward to tomorrow's article. Strange as usually is out two weeks before release

 

Best wishes and speedy recovery for DTG Matt

 

Same here. I’m off that day so I’ll definitely be able to tune in. Hopefully Matt is well enough long before then.

What time should we expect tomorrow’s article?

 

Two things:
1. I love your profile picture. It makes me laugh, albeit it may not have been the intention of Ghost from MW2.
2. I knew what you were referring to in regards to "Lower Level" at NYP. The only *possible* mistake you made was the track numbering.
Tracks 1-4 are the stub end tracks, which are just about exclusively for NJT.
Reason being AFAIK they don't connect to the fancy Moynihan Train Hall.
Since Amtrak encourages their passengers to use Moynihan, it's counterintuitive for Amtrak to use 1-4.
I was on a Keystone that somehow ended up on 4 before, that was weird.
Track 5 is the "lowest" Amtrak will go in their typical operation, I think that's one of the tracks that Empire Service uses.
Along with a good amount of Keystone trains.

Sidenote, Matt confirmed that tracks 1-4 will be utilized in game (thanks for the shoutout) in their Roadmap Update YouTube Video.
It's around the 37:26 mark. Matt said "YES!" so many times I thought I was watching a Daniel Bryan wrestling match.
Idk how many NJT trains turn on tracks outside of 1-4. I'm sure a good amount go through to Sunnyside.

 

I saw there was a "NYE in NYC" achievement / trophy. It's possible the fireworks have something to do with that. Good eye.
I'm looking forward to the 39xx trains too. They rival Amtrak's time performance between Trenton & NY too.
Approx 1 hour 10 minutes give or take. I hope some use tracks 2 & 3 between County & NWK.
In real life they vary, but a good amount tend to stay on 1 & 4.

 

New York Trenton Unique Vehicles Including All Layers/Substitutions

Amtrak ACS-64
Amtrak ACS-64 - TSW 2 Phase III Wrap (Technically it's own vehicle since it has a unique RVD file, however, we don't know if it subs into Trenton from Boston yet)
Amfleet Coach
Amfleet Business
Amfleet Cafe
Amfleet Cab Car
ALP46
NJT Coach
NJT Cab Car

Total: 8 (9 including Phase III wrap but that's unconfirmed for now)

London Brighton Unique Vehicles Including All Layers/Substitutions

Southeastern Class 375 - DMOS_A
Southeastern Class 375 - MSO
Southeastern Class 375 - TSO
Southeastern Class 375 - DMOS_B
Southern Class 377 - DMCO_A
Southern Class 377 - MSO
Southern Class 377 - TSO
Southern Class 377 - DMCO_B
Southeastern Class 465 - DMOS_A
Southeastern Class 465 - TSO
Southeastern Class 465 - TSOL
Southeastern Class 465 - DMOS_B
Southern Class 313 - DMSO_A
Southern Class 313 - PTSO
Southern Class 313 - DMSO_B
Class 09 Shunter
Great Western Railway Class 166 - DMCO
Great Western Railway Class 166 - MSO
Great Western Railway Class 166 - DMSL
Great Western Railway Class 43
Great Western Railway Mk3 - TFD
Great Western Railway Mk3 - TRFB
Great Western Railway Mk3 - TFD
Great Western Railway Mk3 - TS
Great Western Railway Mk3 - TSD
Great Western Railway Mk3 - TGS
East Coastway JNA Wagon - Outer
East Coastway JNA Wagon - Inner
Great Western Express Class 66 - DB Schenker
Great Western Express Class 66 - EWS
East Coastway Class 66 - EWS
Southeastern HighSpeed Class 66 - EWS
Southeastern HighSpeed Class 66 - EWS RHTT Weathered Unit (Not the RHTT train itself, just the loco substitutiing)
DB Schenker HKA
DB Schenker HKA - Back Buffer
Gatwick Express Class 387 - DMCO_A
Gatwick Express Class 387 - MSO
Gatwick Express Class 387 - TSO
Gatwick Express Class 387 - DMCO_B

Total: 39


The LIRR M7 (and M3) have two unique vehicles each, an A and B car. So an LIRR layer would add 4 unique vehicles maximum, or 2 if just the M7.

 

Right as i wanted to buy the dlcs i ran out of time and they got removed from the basket. So i continue my shopping rush in a circle. Over and over.
Cant keep up the schedule, so after rescheduaeling, 10x skipping dlcs, 10x adding dlcs on summer sale, time will tell i might run out of time again...

 

Just when I thought I was out.....They pulled me back in........
WOW

 

I have a differing opinion on this:

1. On the one hand, in an immersive simulation like TSW3 I expect everything as realistic as possible. Scenery has to be as accurate as possble, as well as the timetable and the included (AI) trains.
2. On the other hand, I am a complete Noob in programming and stuff, so I am not able to prnounce a verdict on the question, what is really possible (from technical view).
3. As Non-American, who never has been to New York yet, I don't know what is accurate.

For these reasons I picked the third option of this poll.

 

Idk if they still do this, but Amtrak usually turns a Keystone in the morning on 4 rather than running it through the loop (I believe it went back as 643).

I’d say of all the NJT trains that come in/out of Penn, the bulk use the stub tracks to turn during off peak hours and some use the through tracks depending on track availability. Most of what comes out of SSYD throughout the day for NJT are NEC trains.

I’m hoping so too. If I remember correctly, the only ones that use 1 in the morning are 3934 & 3936, while the only ones on 4 in the afternoon are usually 3937, 3963 & 3969. Everything else uses 2 & 3 so I suspect that’s the path they’ll take. But the aforementioned trains may end up using 2 & 3 as well. If they do, I’d be happy because I personally feel they should do that in real life.

 

Please dude just stop! The answer is no, so your [removed - JD - language] really makes no sense! How many times are you going to proclaim this?

 

Hi,

I only made the post you quoted to put it into perspective of how unique vehicles work in the game, and was adding on to the conversation of the following posts

I changed my mind.
DTG has probably already gotten the message, i mean it's kinda hard to miss a trending 12 page thread at the top of the forum, and it's now gotten out of hand.
This thread should be locked.