Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

Not seeing the route at all. I downloaded ACELA AND NEC NY TO TRENTON today. I see the acela add-on but NY TO TRENTON route will not populate. I’ve deleted and redownloaded still nothing in my routes. Is anyone else having this issue?

 

I don't know for sure but that would probably be a pretty quiet time on the route IRL, right after morning rush hour. So, more deadhead runs back to NYP would make some sense to me at that time. Presumably you should see the inverse in the evening after rush hour.

 

I'm doing the acela run on the Boston route #2190 and its static CSX trains in the yards and sidings.

 

From the preview stream the timetable looks a little bit quiet from Newark Penn to Trenton, Newark Penn to NY Penn is fine, is this how it is IRL, surely not, and LIRR (Lurr for New Yorkers btw) only features in scenarios, why aren't they featured in timetable mode, don't say it's performance because it probably isn't, it's the opposite, DTG not giving us the layers in service mode

On a slightly more positive note, well done to DTG first off for making the route and cActUsjUiCe for making the signalling work on this line

 

There is no quiet time except for 1-4am ish. Several trains an hour in each direction mid day

 

And that 3 hour gap is only for sunnyside deadhead services

There's a FIVE hour gap between regular services for the ALP46 from 09:00 to 14:06.

 

Do you recall on the stream how Brandon said ny Penn is very busy as Matt pulled out late. What you saw was light for the morning rush up into ny Penn. it should have been more dense. For example we saw 4-5 trains roll towards ny between nyc and Newark. In real life it’s not uncommon for 3-4 trains AT A TIME to be stuck at red signals waiting to clear into the tunnel with a line of trains in front of them queuing for track assignments. That’s what Brandon meant

 

Blimey, I didn’t even read it closely enough. That can’t be right.

 

In real life that’s no more than a 10-15 min gap off peak on a week day

 

It’s not … that’s why so many are vocal

just about everything else they did is true to the railroad … except the time table for njt. The Amtrak timetable looks really well done. The njt timetable is about 1/8 of real life

 

Man, the Acela is gorgeous and is something really fresh for the US content. I really love the way the cab is weathered, it’s reminds you that as modern as these trains seem, there are 20+ years of hard wear in every one.

I would love to get this onto NEC NY but I simply cannot give my blessing to DTG increasing costs while lacking on their development.

DTG needs to get the timetable sorted on the route.

 

I had said the NJT is 20% represented in this DLC but it looks I over estimated

 

I went and buried my wallet in the garden under the patio when I saw someone post the the timetable was still being worked on two weeks before release..... followed by others saying it's normal.

Maybe so, maybe this is what said normal looks like. I am getting hungry though now so I may need to deploy a wallet recovery mission

 

Like I mentioned before Imaging during rush hour release, the BML had only included half the services to brighton and nothing else....... that's the comparision or if the SEHS on TSW3 only had the 375 services,with only half of services...........

 

Ah OK, I thought it was busier than that but seems not

 

I don't think even back in the days of TSW2020 did we ever see that

 

Nevermind, i got myself confused trying to read those timetable snippets. Clearly there's an issue with the NJT portion.

 

Those have always been there for Boston.

 

When OHLE is so obviously missing you just have to ask yourself, who didn’t bother to do their job properly.

 

Something weird happened recently because I remember that being fine when I did my signal setup pass last week. It's been reported and being looked into. Apologies for the inconvenience.

 

Yep. And it’s not just a tiny section on one little track too, it’s widespread around that area.

I think there’s enough proof that this route was rushed, and way too many corners were cut. That point still stands when excluding the missing OHLE as well.

 

I’ve seen enough now to add my voice to those saying this timetable is unacceptable for a release. That 5 hour gap for services for the new loco is just laughable. I was a bit surprised to hear Matt say that the team had ‘gone the extra mile’ when making this route. That must mean they were under extreme pressure to even get it to this state because it isn’t the same as when Joe went the extra mile with the London Commuter timetable for example. This is barely even walking to the end of the street compared to that.

Something has gone wrong with this route and it’s likely due to reusing long sections of a route that we have been consistently told would have needed a complete rebuild to be usable even in TSW2. DTG are of course smiling through the marketing. The Acela layer may save this route for many players (with the extra cost to buy it) but the new loco it comes with as standard should be the star and have enough services to fill the day. Very poor.

 

I mean.... at least the pantograph is up on this view..... it might be one of those neutral sections where there potentially shouldn't be OHLE but has it.

Personally, I think the route looked great in places, good length too. Acela looks nice.

However a route to me needs to be busy, have life on it (npc out of stations) and feel like it's got something to it.

You don't buy your house without a roof, your car with a wheel missing and your shoes with no soul. It's for this reason at the moment as much as I am intrigued by route and train I am NOT purchasing and feeling like I'm getting burnt yet again on a churned out route that to me having reflected greatly sees it as incomplete. The foundation is there, I don't feel the soul has arrived as yet.


I have absolute respect for Matt, Jd, Brandon and the teams work but my spending habits have massively stalled and I'm focusing on existing content because things keep getting missed, routes are still quiet and no one is acknowledging it's bean counters pushing projects of passion too far towards "just get it out the door and onto the next please team"

In the same way run8 keeps getting mentioned I have been moving frequent disposable income gifts to DTG to become more disposable income gift's to others until i feel I'm getting value for money again . People always harp on about "don't buy etc".... I'm holding firm now and have only purchased bremen and nothing else for tsw3

Im taking sams historical advice of " if you don't like it..... " ( or words to effect)

 

not my picture but wanted to share. Does the Acela have special Isle seating

 

Oh no "facepalm" lol

 

LOL makes me laugh to see people who have complained on this thread pre-release that this route was unacceptable, yet end up buying it day one and start posting issues with the route There really is one born every minute.

 

The fact that I like what’s there so much makes me equally dislike what’s missing. This is my home route and it’s like looking at the perfect girl until she smiles and shows she has missing teeth

 

Summer teeth? Summer here, summer there

 

nope I'm holding out. Picture I posted of the Amtrak was on youtube

 

That's funny

 

He's just exercising his leg muscles lol

 

Fully agree, sound makes a total difference. Tiny Island Line 2020 sounds much better than these new tsw3 dlcs and I hate Boston route because of this silent ride and broken passenger system - both are hugely neglected in TSW. And thats why Ill stay away from this bundle and latest three dlcs for some time. Until I see some CORE (boarding, sound etc. ) improvements.

 

not my pictures but want to show.....AI trains no lights, pantos down , no rear markers

 

Not my pictures but want to show....AI trains with doors open will moving

 

A few things I've noticed so far

1) It's Trenton Transit Center, not Centre. If we are making an effort to name German stations correctly, it we should do the same for American
2) ACS-64 displays are washed out, just do the the ATC and ACSES tutorial to see this. Why have a tutorial when you can't read the signal displays it's supposed to highlight
3) The ACS-64 has an issue with it saying Doors Open when the doors are closed
4) In the ASES tutorial, the third voiceover 'ASES relays signal aspects and speed restrictions to the equipment in the cab. You should always follow in cab-signalling, even if you have not enabled positive of ASES' That doesn't make grammatical sense in American English
5) When leaving Penn Station, the track speed is 15mph, but the signal speed is 20mph, and maximum authorized speed is stated as 20. The tutorials state sticking to the maximum authorized speed, which can be drastically higher than authorized track speed. Very confusing
6) The ASES tutorial tells you to set the brake to SUPPRESSION when you have an alert, but the ALP-46 doesn't have a SUPPRESSION setting. Appears the tutorial was a copy/paste from the ATC/ACSES without any thought
7) Like others have said, the route feels dead

I'm sure there is much more, but if the team went the extra mile, that's probably meeting aggressive deadlines set by management and allowed this really spotty product through. Don't blame the developers, blame the leadership of TSW.

 

Oh, please let's not go there again!!

 

YO THE X GAMES CAME TO TSW 3

 

If it's CWR (and the main line, at least, is), there won't be any 'clickety-clack.' That's caused by joints, which welded rail doesn't have.

 

<facepalm>

 

So how come in the real world we still hear the train rumbling through the rail, or any junction switch track?

 

I'll get into more detail on it over time. Overall I enjoyed it.
One thing I noticed that's a bit defeating is the grade from the North River Tunnels into NYP.
I was running the NJT 3914 timetable session and all was well until I got a stop signal on approach to Penn.

When I released the brakes to proceed, the ALP-46 was stalled like a car in snow. The locomotive was pushing with all it had but it would NOT budge. When I tested and released the brakes to try the throttle again, it rolled BACK into the tunnel.

Another AI train heading into Penn crept right up on the rear of my train. I had to quit the session.
In real life, I've been caught behind stalled / broken down NJT trains heading into NYP from Jersey.
So I wonder how frequent something like this is in real life. That grade is a tad steep for a 8-10 car multilevel train with ONE locomotive.

Sidenote, the path around Newark Penn was weird.
It switched me from Track 2 onto the Waterfront Connection track, then back over to Track 1 at the last second for no apparent reason.

 

Here's how I judge new routes in TSW.
If I get to the end and I have a genuine itch to do it again.. it's a good route.
Just finished my first run into NY Penn and I have that itch. Last time I had it on a first run was Cross City Line.

I do have confidence that we'll see a busier timetable down the road.
They just now seemed to properly implement ATC and ACSES. That's been a long time coming.
I'd rather it be completely ironed out before they try to throw a million trains at it.
What good is a million trains if you can't have a smooth run to see them all?

History shows this with London Underground. And that was a similar holdup. They had to figure out multiple paths for terminating trains at Elephant and Castle. They did just that.
Keep in mind there's no human dispatcher to intervene on any of these simulated routes.

And speaking of trains.. I saw a bunch. WAY more than LIRR. I purposely ran at non peak hours just to see what the slowest period looked like. The LIRR comparison is way off.
I honestly think this thread became an echo chamber once it took off. The OP typed the words "severely flawed" on February 9th for chrissake.. the NINTH! Come on...

Bugs get fixed. There ain't a single piece of software in the world that doesn't release with bugs.

This route goes down in the good book for me. And before you ask, no I don't put every single route down in that same book.
Go ahead.. bite my head off if you want to. I'll be busy having more fun than you in my virtual Amtrak cab.

Thanks DTG for bringing us more of the NEC.. a proper NEC experience. It's something I've wanted for a long time.
Your passion is palpable.. yes I said it... they do have passion.
The best routes always seem to age really well as the updates roll out, so I look forward to what comes.

Cheers guys! Keep up the good work

 

Flawed is just my opinion, and it seems some other people share that opinion too.

I’ve been enjoying driving the route (and the nice modding opportunities too), but I will criticize the product and provide feedback, and based on what I’ve seen with the timetable, it is severely flawed (my opinion), and I made the thread to point it out to DTG that this route has a lot of room for improvement.

I’ve been playing Train Sim World for years now, and based on prior issues, the only way DTG listens is if there’s enough people talking about the issue.

I rated it a 5/10 on my steam review, so in no means am I saying that the product is complete garbage, not at all, I’m just saying it’s flawed and could be better.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/TripleJ814/recommended/2182370/

 

And it seems that this even applies to the Heritage Pack if you look at the livery quality...

 

I think that's how you should produce wines not games ;D

 

Well, for my part, from what i saw, another half cooked DLC from DTG. Good route idea, good lenght, good realisation (modelling of stations, well not NY)...
But.... unfinished timetable while this is for me the major selling point of whole TSW, the thing that makes London Commuter or SKA (with addon) magic.
But no magic here : deadline where met, the product had to go out whatever finished, bugged or not.

Yes : bugs will be sorted, but hoping for a better timetable ?? Or a propoer PIS ? Or a good skyline ? Or a rebuild NY Penn ? Only dreams. Team have to move forward and bring another DLC. Its DTG after all.

 

Curious about what actually is the cause of NY Penn clipping. Whether it is caused by an incorrect track layout (too close to each other), wrong pillar positions, too large pillars, etc.? Some would be easier to fix than others but should've been fixed/rebuilt anyway.

 

of topic but related to US content.Wanted to see if anyone notice if the previous patch was for Harlem line..
The reason I ask is I ran the timetable from 0445 and is now 11:10 on my PC (steam)No stuck trains. Also I did the infamous train 514 service on my XBOX X that usually got stuck behind an AI train right before reaching Crestwood. Ran good. No issues. Going to keep on testing the notorious services and see if we actually have light at the end of the tunnel
Core

• Series of AI pathing and behaviour improvements to reduce red light issues among all routes.