Feedback Megathread For New Us Content

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  1. mark.price26

    mark.price26 New Member

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    The first training module doesnt work on Trenton - I'm glued to the spot and not able to move

    I'm on PC
     
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  2. solicitr

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    I'm pretty sure that's intended to represent spots of primer. (Although why primer touchups on a newly-painted livery would be required........)
     
  3. TripleJ814

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    - The Amfleet Cab Car doesn't have the new TSW 3 radial wheel blur that was introduced with SOS and i thought was a standard feature now.

    - Cab signalling is still completely broken on Sherman Hill
     
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  4. jimfranklin#6042

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    Played a few scenarios and timetables on the new NYP-Trenton route and I am enjoying it so far aside from a few bugs. Also am still getting used to the in cab safety systems, they can be tricky! I really appreciate the work that went into this route.

    Also, I must say I think the NJT ALP-46 is one of the best US locos DTG created so far. As someone who is around them quite often, the horn is spot on which was a pleasant surprise.

    My only gripe that I noticed is the lack of traffic. Played one Acela timetable during rush hour times and saw less than 10 trains from end to end… but I don’t want to beat a dead horse as this was already covered in the other thread.

    Side note: Passed by Secaucus Junction today and spotted the PRR Heritage ALP-46. Snapped a picture (from the passenger seat). When I pass this area in the morning there is almost always at least 2 trains heading in and out of the station at a time.
     

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  5. Bradley

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    Rain and snow doesn’t hit the window on the multi level cab car at speed
     
  6. nahtankski

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    I’ll second this, the sounds are a bit off for the Acela. When coming to a stop, the fans began to spoil down but then abruptly end, like the sound gets cut off rather than properly fading away.

    Also, the “stand clear of the closing doors” followed by the chime is very quiet. I can hardly hear it at quiet stations. Not sure if this is prototypical but I think for the sake of gameplay that would should be much louder so you can hear it in a the regular external view. Similar to the volume levels of Caltrain doors.
     
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    Thank you, Blacknred81, for highlighting the issues with the liveries. That’s some shoddy work for a paid add-on.

    So much for the argument people made about official liveries being better than CC stuff. On the one hand, yeah, sure, of course they’ll look better. But then again, look at the mess these liveries are (in a livery pack!).
     
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  8. kurtosizm

    kurtosizm Well-Known Member

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    A reply to this thread from DTG would be appreciated. Or maybe they're already working on the next release? :D
     
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  9. DTG Alex

    DTG Alex Community Manager Staff Member

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    You caught me in the same minute I was posting our update!
     
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  10. DTG Alex

    DTG Alex Community Manager Staff Member

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    I have just updated the initial message of this thread with the follow:

    Update as of 22-02-23
    We are incredibly grateful for all the feedback raised by the community since the launch of the US content yesterday, and since then we’ve spoken to our dev teams to understand where we are up to with some of the issues you’ve mentioned.

    We currently have two post-release patches planned, the first of which is coming soon.

    By posting this, we aim to be transparent with what we are working on in response to your concerns and points of feedback. Below shows some of the most vocal issues and where they stand.

    Issues we are Investigating:
    • ALP-46 / ACS-64 introduction tutorials not working.
    • Sunnyside Yard depot services missing OHLE (on third rail track).
    • ALP-46 Pantographs not raising.
    • Amfleet Cab not paintable in Livery Designer
    • Multilevel cars opening upper-level doors at the low-level platforms.
    • Acela / Multilevel car doors open when in motion.
    • Amfleet Wheel Blur fix

    We are currently not investigating:
    • Additions to New York-Trenton Timetables
    • Graphical updates to New York Penn Station
    • Updating the PIS
    For Acela audio, we are monitoring feedback and comparing to reference sources, but due to the subjective nature of audio, we won’t be making immediate changes whilst we gauge your initial feedback.

    These are just some of the feedback you’ve given us so far, but by no means is this an exhaustive list. If anything changes, we will update you all.

    Thank you all for your patience and support :)
     
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  11. Bradley

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    I don’t think the timetable will ever change then
     
  12. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    Cab car wheelblur is on the ‘fixed’ list - will add to the OG post Alex has updated.

    Thanks for the feedback on the Sherman - the changes haven’t touched loco or signalling operation, so that would be something that would be reviewed separately.
     
  13. TripleJ814

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    Thanks,

    also, another one for "the list" - The "Digital Sensitivity" value on the Acela's Cruise Control Lever, Throttle Lever, and Brake Lever are way too low, the values should be increased a bit. The digital sensitivity controls how fast the handle moves with keybinds, and those three levers on the Acela are quite slow tbh. It's basically the exact same problem the LIRR M7 and the Edinburgh Glasgow 385 have.
     
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  14. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    And if that's the case I doubt my decision not to buy will ever change either, and I doubt I am alone with that.
     
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  15. nepclassof84

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    Since you intend to be transparent please answer this

    does “currently not investigating” mean currently not investigating or does it mean “will not ever investigate”

    This is a distinction with a very large difference to a very loud noise with this route.
     
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  16. Disintegration7

    Disintegration7 Well-Known Member

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    +1

    I think many of us would appreciate a clear answer, and not just, "if it isn't on the roadmap..."

    DTG control what projects get added to the roadmap, so my question is "Will DTG add Trenton timetable fixes to the roadmap?"
     
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  17. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Lets be clear and honest, the lack of a decent timetable doesnt need investigating, its obvious the time table isnt sufficient for a route of this nature, so its either DTG dont care to add additional services or that the signaling system wont allow them to.
     
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  18. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    I feel like the answer is pretty transparent. We are currently not working on it, and at the moment there is no dedicated time carved out to do it.

    That doesn’t mean to say that time won’t be carved out in the future - and if we do have plans, as we did with Bakerloo and Hamburg, we’ll include them in the Roadmap, as well as more information.

    We don’t want to promise something that currently we don’t have any resource dedicated to, and lead you on.
     
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  19. Crosstie

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    That's as clear and definitive an answer as you could wish for. As they used to say - " WYSIWYG ".
     
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  20. solicitr

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  21. Disintegration7

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    I appreciate the clear reply even though it's very disappointing.

    Maybe i just don't understand DTG's project management process- but why would "Amfleet livery designer fixes" be a higher priority fix than the timetable fixes (NOT improvements- NJT portion is clearly missing prototype services that we have the equipment for?)

    LD is cool and all, but i'd wager 95% of players never use it or even know it's there. NY-Trenton is the flagship US passenger route and once again gets the short-end of the time budget.
     
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  22. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    And that’s absolutely fine. It’s your prerogative. Just for clarity, NYT has 289 services all-in (including 45 Acela services), as far as I’m aware.
     
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  23. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community Staff Member

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    Hugely different scales of improvements. Not being a dev person I’m not going to put estimates on them, but layers and timetables require a number of weeks of solid implementation, testing (both from a functionality and performance perspective), and iteration from a specialist member of the team.

    The Livery Designer issue is likely to be a much more simple, generic fix.
     
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  24. Blacknred81

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    So, no fixes for the Heritage Unit pack textures?
     
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  25. StormFront345

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    "Amfleet livery designer fixes" Are just that. Fixes.

    A new or updated timetable is development time with extensive testing. Very different workloads.
     
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  26. Sharon E

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    A request, Brandon's video on the signals on the Boston Sprinter is excellent. Is there anyway that DTG could publish a print version of the different signal types. I have done a number of searches online and can find nothing dealing with these older New Haven tri light signals. Other railroads, like NS, UP etc., have easily found signal guides which are great to have when learning the new signal types and their meanings.
     
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  27. R3DWolf91

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    This is from the Technical Issue Forum, I posted over there before seeing this thread...

    - NJT Braking - In both the ALP46 and Multilevel Cab, the application rate doesn't seem to be smooth, instead it stutters up. If you place the auto brake in the apply position the pressure will go up in increments of fives and sixes through the teens and then increase exponentially from there. I seem to remember the equipment in TSC braking much, much more smoothly.

    - NJT ATC/ASES - The braking rate demanded by the safety systems is pretty extreme. I found in the training scenario with the ALP46 that you essentially end up having to dump your air when reacting to a signal drop. This is extremely frustrating when going from an Approach/Approach Medium Aspect down to a Restricting aspect when you would normally only need a minor brake application but instead end up coming to a crawl or a dead stop.

    - Amfleet Sounds - The Amfleet door opening/closing sounds are much louder than in reality and don't sound quite right, especially in Penn Station. You'd never hear the doors close on a Regional two tracks away. They are also missing the closing "alarm bell". DTG I live 20-minutes away from the Hudson Division and ride Empire Trains semi-regularly. I would be happy to do recordings to help with sound accuracy.

    - NJT ASES Training - At one point the instructor refers to ASES as ACES, and states that the unit must be placed into a "suppression" application, when the NJT units do not have a suppression state on the auto brake handle.

    - NJT ASES & Amtrak ACSES Training - The NJT train that departs Secaucas ahead of you on the left does not have either pantograph up on the ALP.

    - Amtrak Cab Car - The Amtrak Cab Car information in both the menu and training session is incorrect. The unit is a Metroliner Cab Car, not an Amfleet. The Metroliner EMU design was used as the basis for the Amfleets, but was never considered an Amfleet; this is still true today.

    - ACS64 Training Info - The training session for the ACS64 mentions that the unit replaced "electro motive diesels" built in the 70's; the unit replaced AEM-7 electrics, built by Electro-Motive Division.

    - Bell Quality of Life - PLEASE consider an alt-shift control for activating/deactivating the bell on North American trains. If high and low tones can be used on UK and European trains using the "x" button in conjunction with the horn, doing the same for the bell should not be that big a deal. Having to look at and engage and disengage the bell in the cab gets old fast.
     
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  28. TripleJ814

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    289 Services would sound good for some routes, but not others. I guess an okay word to describe it is "perspective"

    If we look at like, West Somerset, 76 services is more than plenty because its a single track heritage line
    CSX Heavy Haul with 75 is also okay, because its a freight route
    Something like Cathcart with 208 also seems fairly alright because it's a shorter commuter line

    But when we talk about the Northeast Corridor, the busiest passenger rail line in North America, a timetable with 289 services is NOT good by any means, its a fraction of what this timetable should have. The stock for the timetable to be busy is already in the game (CSX cars, LIRR). We should have something similar to Brighton Mainline

    Also, 5 hours between regular (non deadhead) services for the ALP46 is not acceptable,
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    Using "289" services like its a big number is not right for this kind of route. 289 services is a lot of gameplay for the player, but when it comes to AI services that you see while driving, it's like an April 2020's everyone is at home on lock down kinda timetable for the Northeast Corridor.
     
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  29. redrev1917

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    Fair enough I stand corrected on that point, however my opinion remains.

    The £30 I would have spent with DTG on this will now possibly go to Sim Rail or another software publisher. And NYT will join what was the only other route not in my collection in original Isle Of Wright route, as the only TSW routes not in my collection and likely will never be.
     
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  30. Disintegration7

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    Fair enough.

    Hopefully the team decide to budget some love/time for this route, because it really has the potential to be special. I'm not at all optimistic, but maybe if we keep the rhetorical pressure on minds can be changed.

    Btw appreciate you being in the forums so much recently- i know it can't be an easy part of the job.
     
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  31. NateDogg7a

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    Absolutely agree. I requested such an improvement to the controls quite a while ago, and it does come up for time to time. The only DTG response that I ever saw is that there are no plans to add any additional functionality to the control scheme. Would be nice though.
     
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  32. Disintegration7

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    One of their most baffling design choices. There used to be a bell control on the old controller scheme (d-pad up IIRC), and i can understand why they wanted to make changes, but why not add it to one of the button-shifts????
     
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    I take the "don't care" for $200!!
     
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    https://signals.jovet.net/rules/NORAC Signal Rules.pdf

    They’re all based on this. PDF should be printable.
    You might have to think outside the box to apply each one to whatever model of signal you’re dealing with.
    But the logic stands.
     
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    You (DTG) keep repeating this as if it’s a good thing.

    You’re even bundling in the £15 DLC services to inflate the flaccid number of services. You say “just for clarity” but as per DTG’s usual attitude, your marketing is muddy at best. Pretty shameful really.

    289 (244 really) services is pathetic for the NEC, did someone really look at the timetable for the ALP46, see a 5 hour gap in the timetable (in the middle of the day of all times) for any runs outside of the depot, and think that was ok?
     
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    Another one for the list

    Some of the PATH tracks around Harrison seem to have both OHLE and Third Rail. PATH is a third rail system these tracks shouldn't have OHLE on them.
     
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    https://signals.jovet.net/rules/NORAC Signal Rules.pdf

    The tri-lights are just a different way of arranging three colored lights from the more usual vertical lineup. The aspects are the same. There are also the new LED monolights, where one lamp can display any of the colors; again, the aspects are unchanged.
     
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    Especially since NEC/NORAC rules require sounding the bell a lot.
     
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    That is intentional. DTG decided to come up with a control system for manually-lapped brakes which is easier to use than the old Class 101/F40/F7 setup. This is a "discrete keypress step" system.
     
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    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    Thanks to both solicitr and ccwood92 for responding. My searches just would not find that page. Have saved it on my second monitor which is where I pull these things up when running.
     
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    What’s disappointing is that such a nice scenery from the Trenton Line feels so lifeless and empty when it come to rail traffic. AI traffic is severely needed, whether LIRR and/or Amtrak/NJT. London Commuter was one of the most comprehensive routes in the game because it was full of life. That main line is a major artery in the UK railway system and it was projected as such in TSW. The Northeast Corridor deserves more attention. It’s the New York Metropolitan area, the embodiment of rush hour traffic. Rails or roads, why is it so lifeless? Same thing can be said about the Harlem Line as well. I just hope one day this line can get the proper attention it deserves because us fans in the U.S. desire comprehensive and complete routes that we can relate the best too. Much respect to the hard work put into creating this but it’s disappointingly lacking in quantity.

    Side note: I’ve had some issues with the first car doors not opening on the ALP-46 services. The prompt would say “Unlock Doors” but the passenger meter would fill up due to the other 8 cars having their doors open so that should be addressed. Additionally, with the game in general, the passengers need to be addressed. They are very unresponsive in most cases. They don’t get onto the trains, they spawn into the ground or track bed or glitch out of the train cars. We were promised after “Rush Hour” was launched in TSW 2 that the passengers would increase and respond on passenger services to create fuller trains and platforms to enhance immersion. There is no reason to be running rush hour trains that are empty or nearly empty and devoid of life or action. It’s happened for multiple routes and hasn’t been fixed.

    Otherwise, thank you.
     
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    I much prefer the older system, especially on console. On TSW with an Xbox controller this is obnoxious with the NJT units, especially with the "notches" implemented with this DLC. Having to notch into service, back to hold, into service if you want more, etc. is less intuitive than the other units noted.
     
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    Hello DTG JD
    Do you have any plans to raise up the volume of the engines for the Trains in the new NJT route ?
    is that difficult to do ?

    greets
     
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    The problem is that when I resume my save on Amtrak Regional 67 Boston 21:30 To Providence 22:10 Final Destination is Newport News Norfolk Virginia I only got to 20 mph when positive train control is turned on therefore I could not go to line speed when resuming from a save. even though normal operation would have allowed me to get to line speed from the Save
     
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    I am actually enjoying the route. The lack of services is really not a deal breaker for me. I am a Yank that really enjoys the British routes. Not a big US freight guy so I will not be getting the heritage pack. I also thought I noticed someone created them in Creators Club at one time.

    I was a daily commuter into Penn station and it really is an ugly station trackside. Not seeing LIRR in there is a shame but while on the NJ and Amtrak side, you really can't see LIRR's tracks if there are a bunch of NJ and Amtrak traffic in the station in real life. Sunnyside yard is just dedicated to NJ and Amtrak trains so seeing a LIRR come through on the east side is not a big deal for me either.

    I had one issue with the Amtrak cab car. I was forced into emergency and could not recover out of it. It was the only time that I drove the cab car. I will give it another run tonight.
     
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    Boston Sprinter doesn't seem to be mentioned a lot in this thread, so I will go ahead and post my findings.

    Broken lighting at Boston South Station
    The covered areas at Boston South Station are incredibly dark, causing huge contrast between the inside and outside world. Why is it so dark? There are lights in there! You can even see the lights themselves from the outside, yet the platforms are pitch black.
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    Tracks also do... this?
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    MBTA F40PH broken cab controls textures/brightness
    Switches on the control panel and back wall panel are all just white.
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    Doors open/closed and brakes released/applied warning lights are all overly bright when in covered stations or tunnels. They just show up as bright rectangles.
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    Gauge glass surfaces have overly bright grime on them in certain lighting conditions.
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    MBTA F40PH missing engine sound
    In notch 8 the engine sound of the F40PH cuts out completely. If going lower, it comes back.

    MBTA Cab car rear marker light appear yellow/white instead of red
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    Other smaller scenery lighting issues

    This weird pitch black area in the wall at Providence
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    Lighting area volume thingy edges visible on ground.
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    Route map at Back Bay Station appears completely dark. Also it floats in front of the wall.
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    Honestly, this update has done more harm to the route than good. Visuals are all messed up. I wanted to make a back and forth run through the route, starting with the F40PH then coming back in the cab car, but I rage quit after leaving Back Bay Station and realizing that the F40PH goes silent in notch 8.

    Who signed off this release? The route is totally broken.
     
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  48. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    I'm waiting for the paid expansion gameplay livery Xmas jeep pack for the route. I've read a lot and boy am I glad I hung fire.
     
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    You know there'll also be a game play pack offering us the chance to drive the F7 coming any week now.

    in all seriousness Im actually glad they didnt offer a bundle aimed at existing customers, because you know I'd have purchased it.
     
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    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Same, that was just another piece of feedback that went nowhere . I've left the pc turned off and looking at atomic heart on the series x
     

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