Running the first (Boston) Acela journey service, Providence to Boston. Get to Route 128, unload people, no problem. Start up again heading for Back Bay- have not yet accelerated to full speed (120 at this point) when I pass the first signal: high green, proceed clear. But at that point I get a rapid beeping - which can NOT be acknowledged - followed by a full penalty braking. Nor can I regain throttle function afterwards; the train is dead. What the hell is going on?
Maybe cActUsjUiCe could comment? Because the route is undrivable as it is- passing that "clear" signal produces an irrecoverable penalty brake, every time.
If you drive with safety systems you need to follow the in cab ACSES signals and not only the aspect signal. A lot of times on the route the line speed is 120 and Aces wants you at 90 or 60
I tried to do one of the empty moves from sunnyside, the yard speed limit is 8, the ATC said 20, but around 5mph the penalty brake came on and couldn't be released. no idea what I did wrong. I can cope with most countries safety systems, including the German; but the American one is totally incomprehensible!
I'll have to do another test but on our development build. I think there was a bug with the Acela...but i'm not sure right now. Been chasing bugs all week lol But if it's the area I'm thinking of, that's Transfer interlocking. This is where there is a cab signal downgrade to Clear 125 AND a track speed downgrade from 130 to 120. Maybe these two events happening simultaneously is the root of the bug on the Acela? Just speculating.
Same here, very confused about what is correct and what is a bug. When I follow ATC I get yellow (approach) whilst the hud indicator shows green. From the situation I was seeing on ATC I would have presumed the hud indicator would have been yellow. So either I don't understand the American safe systems or something is wrong with what is being shown in the cockpit and what is shown on the hud
Green doesnt always imply clear. Could be Slow Clear, Medium Clear, Limited Clear, Cab Speed... I think restricting shows up as green but i could be wrong
Tnx in that case I understand the American safety systems and they are fun, I really appreciate your work because I feel this signalling brings a gameplay aspect to the game I had not noticed before.
Just tested this exact service in our latest development build and can't reproduce it. Seems that it got resolved.
Not sure if this is your issue, but there is something messed up in the Acela where when you start it up, put the reverser into position BEFORE turning on safety systems. I was having an issue where I'd get a penalty brake for exceeding 1.5mph leaving Penn, but it was because I turned on safety systems FIRST. Once I followed the instructions of setting reverser first I had it fine. I've done multiple runs on Boston with no issues/penalty brakes so outside of that I can't guess what your issue is. I know the key thing is to follow the MAS speed not the top signal speed (as others mentioned sometimes you have a clear 125 or something but ACSES is capping you at 90). Also a few other things to remember is you need to acknowledge speed drops even if you are already at or below the new speed, and if you get an overspeed go into suppression to avoid penalty brake even if you don't need that much brake to slow down.
Maybe I'm "old school" but I don't think it is reasonable to have safety systems enabled and expect that the HUD will give enough information for you to drive according to what the safety systems require. The HUD is there to tell you how to drive so as not to get a game ending penalty (signal passed at danger) or lose points (over speeding). It is not there to act as an emulation of ACSES or ATC. For that you actually need to use the systems themselves. If the HUD showed green for an upcoming stop signal: that's a bug. If the HUD shows a green signal for "cab signal 80", well that's because you are outside of the scope of what the HUD is intending to do (at this point in time, maybe that will change in the future and we get all cab signal aspects in the HUD as well, but then again why would this need to be implemented? ATC and ACSES are already a "HUD" in a sense ).
But it is never well explained in the game. We all know how the introductions go, look up, look right, ... this is the HUD, ... that's the basics .. and all you need to know to drive a train. Safety systems? You can buy route X to learn about the safety systems for that country.
It must have been a glitch. Although it happened every time when I was restoring from a save point at Route 128 ((although the first time was not after a save), when I started the whole route over it went away and I finished the service with no problems.
That's interesting, thanks. Logic dictates that normally the safety systems are always on so I always turn them on before anything else. But will try doing it this way round to see if it allows me to run the timetable I'm stuck on as mentioned above.
There is LOTS in this game that is not explained right. I shudder how it must be for new players buying it thinking they can learn from the tutorials. In fact, thats the main reason I shelved TSW2020 with only a few hours back in the day. But then I went and bought TSW2, and that time I decided I must figure out how to do things right (specifically getting the freight trains and pushers set up to go over Sand Patch Grade), which is what brought me to this forum and Discord, and that is how I really learned to play the game (along with Youtube videos). DTG themselves does put out some good tutorials in Youtube format though. I.E. Matt's German safety system vid is a must watch for anyone trying to figure those out.
The tutorials are useless IMHO. I’ve learned everything I need to know from these forums, watching DTG live streams or watching others play on YouTube.
See I'm the exact opposite. The German ones are far too complicated for me, but I'm able to understand the American ones just fine. I haven't had any issues with the safety systems on the Acela yet, the hardest part was finding the switches!
I'm with you there. The US system tells you what to do (usually, brake and acknowledge, reduce to the speed displayed right there in front of you). Whereas the German system tells you nothing, until "You screwed up, we're killing your train." And even then you're left to guess what you did wrong. To handle PZB you need to know what the myriad of mandatory speeds are in a host of different circumstances- and of course acknowledge passing a sign or signal without any helpful audio prompt (until it's too late.)
Maybe it's the implementation of the US system then. For example, heading NY to Trenton, about 20 miles the 125 limit drops to 110; yet the train systems take you down to 45 just before the 110 starts! Is this normal or a bug ? Nothing in front of me, was allowed to go back to 110 as soon as the train got to that limit.
Can't speak to Trenton, but when that sort of thing happens on Boston it's probably because a switch in front of you moved from diverging to through, and so the 45 > 30 mph switch speed progression cleared. Keep in mind that ACSES (permanent track limits) and ATC (signal limits) are different systems working in parallel.
I had the same permanent penalty brake the OP describes running service 2150 from journey mode this morning. No issues when running the same service from the timetable, though.
