Road Map Train Sim World Roadmap - March 2023

From outside you do not see it

 

As I know the ICE 1 has no LED Headlights xD

 

It happend in reallife, so where is the problem? I mean yes you could include a better loco but it is not wrong

 

Here are my thoughts on the article:

• Linke Rheinstrecke looks cool, apart from the missing PIS which should really not be a thing in 2023. But not the end of the world if all the other stuff (especially scenery & rolling stock) are good.
• Niddertalbahn just keeps getting better and better. Amazing detail and a period-accurate DB BR 365! Wow! As many people have already noted, by far the most promising add-on in the roadmap.
• Midland Mainline is looking good - well, at least the very limited amount of screenshots we‘ve seen so far considering the release is coming up in just a few weeks. Looking forward to more info!
• West Cornwall Steam Railtour has the weaknesses already noted when it was first announced… just a few services and scenarios on a route that will be very challenging (and possibly frustrating) to drive with a steam loco. Having some accurate railtour modifications to the loco (modern safety systems etc.) is good, but I genuinely think this should just have been a simple Spirit of Steam layer, so many better options for a WCL expansion pack. I’m also not sure what the “You only need WCL to activate the railtour layer on EDN” statement means… will I be able to drive the railtour layer with a normal SOS loco if I don’t have the expansion pack?
• The loco pack is a mixed bag. Can’t comment on the BNSF loco because I’m not a freight guy, but the ICE stripes are literally zero effort and should absolutely be free for all players like the Trainbow on SEHS. If not, pricing should be closer to the 3-4€ charged for each New Journeys DLC, because there were mostly only livery changes there as well. The new SEHS loco genuinely looks cool. We don’t get to haul EMUs often in TSW, and it’s great to have a modified 375 included so everything is as accurate as possible.
• The Edinburgh-Glasgow patch seems to have fixed some things, but also introduced more problems according to the feedback thread. They literally removed the ability to enter the free exterior cam on console (WTF?) just to introduce a non-working closeup view of the TMS, which was really not needed. Brake lever also seems to be be way too sensitive, and the brakes themselves appear to be too strong now.

 

UK stuff looks good on this roadmap

It would be nice if the ROG Europhoenix Class 37 could have a railtour consist too possibly for the MML route; I travelled behind two of them and a ROG class 57 on a railtour that I think started at Derby and I boarded at Chesterfield and then went over the Hope Valley, Stockport-Stalybridge, Transpennine route to Huddersfield, across the Calder Valley route and finally up to Ravenglass on the Cumbrian Coast.

 

I mean 110 in front of freight is not completly wrong, ICE 1 was in service at this time (I know without redesign) but for me I like the option to drive the ICE 1

 

Misspelled station name in the Screenshot
It‘s called „Budenheim“ and not „Büdenheim“ - hope it won’t be wrong in the game, I once lived there and such a mistake would be a shame!

 

They can't make other countries without licenses and no expertise. It was mostly 3rd parties that brought in other countries in tsc.

 

Dear god Skyhook releasing another DLC. I hope they test their stuff before release. And where’s news about a fix for the DB BR 143 broken achievement (Dresden Commuter)? You are aware that it’s been broken since 9 September 2021. Not very constructive.

 

I've found a few typos and wrong info within some of the recent DLC that doesn't appear to be getting acknowledgement from DTG, you should be happy that all they did here was go a little extra with the umlaut lol

 

For those complaining about the 2 ice 1 services, it's either busyness or realism. I'm sure there has been numerous times where the wrong trains were used for certain services just to make the route feel busier. The 612 on bro for example representing the 648 or the 187 subbing in as freight on bro which some people wanted removed or certain 377 services on bml, certain liveries that were out of place like railpool, using dual acs64s for the long distance services on boston providence or trenton.

 

is 2 services affecting busyness… surely busyness is a limit of an average about 1 per 3 hours ish not 1 per 12

it’s more whether you think the current version is too modern or if this isn’t a issue to you.

 

I just wish DTG could rethink their German part of the loco-bundle and at least add "Der kleine ICE" as an additional livery. With just the rainbow and the green stripe, the German part of the pack is really a joke compared to the US and UK packs. And in the screenshot we got, the number on the rainbow ICE is even wrong ... And it will probably substitute so much, that every second ICE3 you see is the rainbow one.

Substitution really needs an overhaul.

 

Can't you just not buy it?

 

I find the apron even "worse" than the mishmash of DB logos and no, that's just not realistic. Because 1997 was actually no longer a so-called "transition", since most (almost all) locomotives already bore the new DB logo. In addition, the missing analogue PIS, which I had hoped for so much.

While I'm happy, these are disappointing points for me.

 

Rather disappointed with the loco bundles. They seem to be milking as much as they can by lightly modifying existing assets and selling them at silly prices, rather than proposing new locos or stock to give us some real variety (Acela excepted). I’m thinking of the likes of NTP Heavy Freight pack, and the TVL 20 & 31. The maroon jubilee looks beautiful (Leander?), but when was the last time you saw a railtour with only 5 mk1 coaches and no support coach?

 

I agree it is not realistic but I think that they look better with the old DB plates and skirts.

 

I disagree. A 110 in that configuration pulling freight is realistic. Incredibly rare, but realistic. The ICE 1 we have simply did not exist.

 

The licenses, it asks. You must already want.

 

The new LV ones do. Take a look in-game again and you’ll find LEDs.

 

I’m disliking the little bundles and really wish they would just do separate locomotive and rolling stock DLC.

I know from a business standpoint it makes a lot of sense as you can charge more and players who may not be interested in all the countries will have to buy the whole pack to access the dlc for one specific country.

I don’t mind paying a reasonable amount for a single solid loco/unit dlc that layers into other routes with some nice scenarios and timetable services.

For example packs like the 313. It’s a lovely unit with some nice services and scenarios. Essential to break up the monotony of the electrostars but you don’t have to pay another lump to access some repaints for another country.

 

No 110s never worked freight.

 

It has happened, but it was rather rare.

 

The BNSF SD70ACe is a great choice of loco DLC. I still hope to see BNSF C44-9W, B40-8W and GP60/GP60M/GP60B packs and ET44AC/ET44C4, UP/CSX SD70ACe-T4, and UP/CSX AC6000CW packs in the future. Also, bring back the CSX GP40-2 and add a 3GS-21B Genset Pack in multiple liveries. As for rolling stock, while the centerbeam and 89 foot flat car are great, but I still want ACF 2-bay cement hoppers, steel coil cars, more intermodal cars (including articulated well cars and spine cars), and 89 foot autoracks. Also, here's an awesome couple of ideas for modern routes: welded rail trains and BNSF Boeing fuselage trains.

 

Obviously we've only got the bare bones for a lot of the new content announced so far, but the below is where my head is at in relation to each of these right now.

Niddertalbahn TSG's first route was always going to be a day 1 purchase (or preorder) a for me, but the addition of a 365 has cemented that decision. DTG need to take note and see that when the effort is made in updating trains to make sure they fit into a route that it sees an increase in sales compared to the "its close enough" mentality we've seen from their own routes recently.

Kudos to whoever decided to add layers to ScotRail express as well for the West Cornwall Steam add on and I'm now considering making this a day 1 purchase as well. The addition of AWS and speedometer is a positive which is helping sway my decision.

Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz – Koblenz - I am certainly not convinced that putting the BR110 on freight was a good idea, and like others have said if the BR155 was wrong era for this route, then how do you explain sticking the ICE1 on it? This and the fact that there'll be no PIS (because it wasn't working correctly) are red flags for me and I'm fearing that once again we are going to be presented with a unfinished route rushed out, I sincerely hope I am proven wrong on but after recent DTG releases I'll be holding off buying this until I've seen some reviews and feedback. Really hoping that this doesn't go the way of Trenton and we've a 2nd route which in theory I'd love to own but feel theres too many corners cut which would stop me enjoying it.

Loco Add On 2 - the UK and US content is making me very happy, but I will need to know more about the German content and if we are seeing more services with some added (new) variety to Kassel Wurzburg or if this is just going to be a handful of scenarios and the odd substitution on the existing services (as we saw with the Sherman Hill Fallen Flags) before I can form an opinion on if it deserves a place in my collection, if its the latter then I'll likely be leaving on the shelf.

Midland Main Line - providing its looking to be at least to the standard of HSC, then it will again be a day 1 purchase. Primarily because its a route local to me and its a Class 158. Again the effort SHG went to ensuring the HST is updated rather than just the original being close enough (as per my comments on Niddertalbahn above) deserves to be rewarded in my opinion.

 

Regardless, yes, both models (103 + 110) look great of course.

 

Rarely. Not Never.

Source - 1995

 

When it comes to railways, you can never say never. As they say in model railways, theres a prototype for everything. That said just because something happened once in a blue moon it shouldn't be justification for DTG to base a whole timetable on it.

 

Let's not forget that Mainz-Koblenz will only have 250!!! services out-of-the-box. It's 90 odd kilometres long, so it will be as dead as NY-Trenton (if not more dead). That, and the lack of PIS, with modern cars... Why should I pay £30 for this? One step forward, 2 steps backwards.

 

I agree and have already voiced my complaints about the 110 working freight before in the relevant thread.

 

It was mentioned in stream that the locos in the bundle sub in.

 

Are we actually going to have to pay for a livery that most players probably already have downloaded from trainsimcommunity or made in livery designer? Wasn’t it also on Creators club like last year before getting taken down… wow

 

At least dtg has a good record for German content. Us content has always been lacking and received very little care. Dtg can't really add anything in since they don't have appropriate older locos. The ice1 is receiving lots of criticism. The current 155 doesn't work at all cuz it's more than a paint job. It's essentially a whole new locomotive that needs to be made. There's no older content outside of mainz to koblenz so no opportunities for layers.

 

Yes. It's basically a scenario pack from tsc. Same concept but with slightly more to do. You don't have to buy it if you don't want to

 

with the Niddertalbahn and the ICE 1 layer it has 301 services

 

Historicalky yes, but last 18 months or so have they lived up to that?

Dresden Chemnitz still has major issues untouched from release. Bremen was a mess on release. Dresden Rises still to this day has a service going back wards and other issues.

 

Looking forward to the BNSF SD70 and the added rolling stock for Cajon Pass. I hope they look at more little packs like this for other routes.

DW

 

This is the first roadmap in a while that's interested me which is good, here's a couple of my thoughts regarding content that interests me:

- Niddertalbahn: To be honest, while I'm not a major fan of single-track routes, nor the non-modern era setting, it does however look very promising judging by the nicely detailed screenshots as well as hearing about the timetable. For any TSW route - past or future - as a player I'd always expect as many additional locos from existing content to layer where applicable to result in busier and better services and timetables, and the inclusion of the 365 (a 363 variant), as well as AI-only 103 and 110s is great to hear and certainly makes a single-track route feel more exciting than first thought. Also interesting to hear about AI whistle boards which is a nice touch.
- Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz – Koblenz: The screenshots look very nice and seem to do well in depicting what is a stunning real-life route. However, regarding my personal taste, not a fan of the era considering Niddertalbahn is 90s too, and the fact we just had the 110 and n-Wagens in Bremen. I accept those who love such time periods and that's fair enough, but from a gameplay perspective it feels very limited which is a huge shame to go from what previous German routes did by far the best in TSW consistently (i.e. lots of service types and loco variety especially), to now just mainly the 103 and 110/n-Wagen - add to that no 101 at all and just two ICE services etc is very disappointing. Plus, I wonder how busy it will actually be with just 250 playable services (plus the additional 51) across 57 miles?

On the subject of German content, I really hope the next few German routes are modern so we can use more existing content and to continue the theme of modern German TSW routes feeling like part of a wider network - it's reasons like this what got me interested in German stuff to begin with, so please do what you do best DTG.

- Midland Main Line: Looking very much forward to this, although I'm not at all familiar with this area of the route. But with the 158 being my favourite UK DMU, this excites me - and the screenshot looks great. I just really hope this being a modern UK route that it can actually have a decent timetable mode with lots of service variety etc as this will be the sole deciding factor for if the route is worth getting or not, despite my liking of the 158. Just to add, I hope we can see more 158 services added to existing and newer routes to make more UK modern routes reach their true potential traffic-wise and mean no one-loco routes etc.
- Loco Add-on Bundle 2: I'm very much excited (and surprised as much too) of another loco add-on for SEHS with the Class 37/7 - out of everything from the roadmap, this surprisingly might be my most favourite addition as it sounds like this will have some interesting 'multiple' services to an already fantastic timetable. The timetable of SEHS Extended, along with London Commuter in first place, are to me personally the best timetables in the whole of TSW thanks to stuff like this thanks to the service variety, so the Class 37 add-on for SEHS will hopefully be superb!

Third-Party Update: Very excited to hear how each of their progress is going, really hope they add some fantastic content to TSW for the long-term!

 

No SoS update, no passengers fixing, no ui fixing, no personally interesting addons to come, no money to spent... thx DTG

 

definitely something I want too see fixed

they were quite bad pre rush hour, when rush hour came I thought it would be much better, especially since first impressions on the Boston sprinter preview

however I find myself starting a service with a packed train, and open the doors to watch everyone get off… thus practically making services an ECS unless you get “lucky” and act as a rush hour service in a city at 2am on a rural route with that one person who got on

ngl I sometimes open one door on one carriage to start the board process, so others can’t get off just too keep the train busy

it’s not just people don’t arrive at the platforms fast enough cause I’ve seen them lined up, I open the doors and they all come to the conclusion they’re at the wrong platform and walk away

even the Ai seems to get more customers, I’m almost taken it personally that they see me slam everyone into first class when I realise the station stop is counting down in yards at 90mph

You know theirs a problem with passengers when you see more on trains in the dark/no pis active or in the depot at quarter to 2 in the morning than on the 07:30 to london…

 

I have seen plenty of photos from 1997 with the old kekse, not to mention a mishmash of paint schemes. That doesn't bother me in the least (it would also, of course, make it easier to use the locos in a pre-merger route). But the 110 pulling freight trains is an abomination.

I'm not sure what "skirt" or "apron" you two are referring to.

 

Exited for the BNSF SD70ACe!!!

 

Because that would involve even minimal effort on behalf of DTG. I'll just keep my Workshop version of the ACe and save myself the $15.

 

While i also think the 110 isnt ideal for freight, the other option would be no freight, or with the also not era appropriate 155, maybe it layers though (which i cant see them modelling next to the 103, four different Coaches and another 110) (or Freight with the 103, the worst option of it all)

But so i am quite happy with the timetable, 300 odd Services with the 628 included does sound rather good.

Also Niddertalbahn looks great and promises something different as Well as good gameplay.

Although id agree that the german part of the loco bundle seems a bit lazy, changing the stripe from the ICE3 and half the stripe from the power car of the ICE1 doesnt sound like much, and i think there will just be new scenarios coming with it.
Bringing the ICEs on a new route (e.g. HRR) really would be something better.
But im interested to see the 37 with the adapter for EMUs and using that in my own scenarios

 

Did they only use them if they were short of 140s or 150s.

 

Well I've reflected in the roadmap and I'm here at the moment. I think it's important to let all the sales jazz wear off over night

Linke is a possible to me. I enjoy the German content but it will be interesting to see what it offers up as Bremen didnt light my fire upon purchase like Dresden did.

Nidder - not sure I can justify a ££30 single track route. Think that's more for hardcore fans

Loco pack - I was excited when I read this. I then saw I already have a few class 37s, 2 Ice 3's and an another America (sorry if I'm wrong here friends) train that looks nigh on the same as lots I own.

It was at that point excitement dwindled.

MML, a new hst, the 158 I think this will be a guaranteed buy pending what's shown (glossed over) on preview stream

 

I don't want to get shot for this comment but I may, why do we not get liveries like the Battle of Britain , the captain Tom Moore ones etc in addition to trainbow, certain containers etc.

I think both play equally to be inclusive (as I imagine DTG) are trying to be with their player base. There are so many interesting liveries up there, these two spring to my mind but I'm sure there are some interesting ones elsewhere

 

Many photos? I had quite different experiences there, and on top of that I was already alive in 1997 and experienced it myself.

The apron means this:

103 150 in the game, as a reminder, it's set to be set in 1997:


And for comparison here is a real photo of 103 150 (which is shown in the screenshot) from 1997 (!):


Source
We see new logo (with the 110, by the way, too) and no apron.

And here in 1993, still in the days of the Bundesbahn, with the old logo and no apron too:

Source

But regardless of whether I don't like these "wrong" details, the 103 obviously looks great. I think the route will be great and maybe in the end there will be modders who can correct these details.

 

I will also note, that its funny on TSC, that the BNSF SD70ACe's for that came with both an Isolated and Non Isolated cab variant, yet for some reason DTG can't model a simple seam in TSW.....

 

Aha. In English it's called a "pilot."