Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

They can't even get the station signage correct.

 

They rushed the whole thing that's why Penn Station is still the way it is

 

Penn Station doesn't even have the Moynihan Train Hall signage that's been there since the start of the pandemic lol

 

Being a member of this forum since the beginning… I guarantee they would complain if it was free… some would complain even if they were paid to play

 

At least they should've matched the font... Even that is wrong.

 

They did say they reused parts of the Lirr dlc to build this route, that included Penn Station...

 

They reused part of the old route from Newark airport to Penn station too.

my issue is the timetable. Others are criticizing them reusing old routes here but I’m not one of them.

 

Ohhh I'm sure the timetable is bad lol!

 

The highlighted parts are the problem here - do you want them to deliver a good product? Don't give them money for the half-baked one. Now there's no incentive to improve it.

 

It’s comforting to know I have you to tell me how to spend my money.

thank you.

 

I bought it myself and don't really mind the route.

But thats the thing it's just an OK route.

Just 3 things would have made this a great route.

1 Proper signage at the stations. For crying out loud the Princeton Junction sign picture is on the Wikipedia page. It doesn't take a high school diploma to do that kind of research.

2. A more complete timetable. Come on only 50% of the actual services that run on this route. I know it was said we ran out of time, and sorry that's fine but again shows how much it was just a rush to get this out and how much love was NOT put into yet another North American route.

3.AI traffic??? OK fine I get that you dont have the proper trains for some of the NJT routes so leave them out. But surley there are more of the same trains from other routes that drive the Penn to Penn sections before turning off. Where's the LIRR at Penn and Sunnyside, again even if most of your player base is European, you can show the same care in NA routes you do for UK and Geman routes.

It just feels like more attention and care went into Birmingham, Bremen and especially the new German route than this route.

And even the new German route has questionable timetable by using the 110 instead of the 155.

So this does seem to just be a lack of care towards our North American friends.

And don't get me started on the stupid Caltrain Baby Bullet on the Oakville Subdivision. That is totally opposite to the we don't have the proper stock poppycock you constantly feed us. And it should never be released.


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I know DTG has been quiet on the timetable but I firmly believe they’re going to address it.

there are several things i wish it had
1- Morrisville yard with njt stabling moves
2- njcl to Woodbridge (2 stops) or south amboy (4 stops)
3- Morris Essex and Dover express to Newark broad st (1stop) this is the line you go over entering Newark from secaucus there is a cutoff right before it
4- raritan valley line to union (1stop) or roselle park (2 stops)

that’s a wish list that’ll likely never happen unless they do a sehs refresh someday

but the time table itself keeps the route from being really good or at least on par with the English and German passenger routes.

they really dropped the ball

 

My guess would be it will end up just like LIRR. Released in a bad state, gets bad reputation, then forgotten because it didn't sell well.

 

I wish I had your belief. Unfortunately, DTG has proven, quite often, that it can leave a route languishing at the bottom of the pile.

 

I'm also somewhat optimistic that the timetable will be addressed at some point.

My reasoning is that DTG did a decent job with the route itself,

Yes, Morrisville should be there, NYP is a mausoleum and the promised Rush Hour passengers are hiding out somewhere.

But, overall, a well modeled route.

I can't believe that DTG will want to waste all that time and effort just to leave NYT in such an unfinished state.

Fingers crossed.

 

For Raritan Valley Line might as well get it to Cranford 3 stops that way you use the Aldene Connection built in 1967 to wait for Sand Patch Grade SFJ Sherman Hill Cane Creek Cajon Pass Horseshoe Curve and Oakville Subdivision freight locomotives that have the right of way over you then go after those freight trains.
Picture of Aldene connection

Morris & Essex Line Montclair Booton Lines are 25kv 60hz, not 11kv 16.7-60hz which means the Trains from Newark Broad St to NY Penn must do a voltage change both ways like SEH.

 

dtg are railfans. No self respecting railfan will allow that to stand

 

I honestly feel like this is how this US pack turned out.



The Acela with the Boston Upgrades are great, really decent work on it. NYC-Trenton has been talked to death about its issues. The UP Heritage Pack is pretty much forgotten about.

 

I’ll just say LIRR at this point.

 

Umm... LIRR?

 

For those that think US players as always complaining……. The new
Niddertalbahn: Bad Vilbel–stockheim route looks amazing. Great job on it and TSG should be proud of their work. That is what a route should be like. I can say is the best looking route in the game…… day one purchase for me

 

Ok know that the bundle is 45% percent off let me give it and try so I can rate this thing in steam. Only reason I’m getting it is because of the Acela. Hopefully one day they will go back and give it a closer to reality timetable

 

To be fair, however, it must also be said that it's easier to build a comfortable branch line than one of the busiest traffic junctions in New York.

 

Finally gave my review in steam

Maybe. But is also easier when half of the NYT route is cut and paste from previous routes.

 

Oh wow already deeply discounting the route? Smacks of desperation. Really must not have sold well and the disastrous Steam reviews on it must have kept many away.

 

I guess as more players get to buy it at a discount more reviews are coming in........

 

DTG's coalface employees are railfans. But the Men In Charge are profit fans, hence the infamous "DTG Flywheel." I'm sure Matt etc were not happy about being confronted with a release deadline which didn't allow for the route being done properly, but it's not their call.

 

It's not easier to build even a branch line with NB's almost insane attention to detail.

 

You have to remember that DTG were so proud of the work they did to the route....

 

It's been a while now since the release, but with how bad the Trenton feedback is, I'm surprised they still don't have plans to add to the timetable. Even most of the positive reviews on steam mention the lackluster timetable.

Trenton has worse reviews on Steam than Oakville, Arosa, original NEC: NY, and the Amtrak SW1000R loco DLC, and it's almost caught up to the DB 187. (and that's even including the original TSW 2020 store page for Oakville and the original TSW 2 store page for Arosa and DB 187, since the reviews don't carry over to the TSW 3 store pages for them)

It was also kinda disappointing to hear that DTG employee in the TSC discord saying (twice) that Trenton doesn't deserve negative reviews and that the community expects way too much. I don't think anyone was expecting Niddertalbahn quality, we're just expecting the same quality as the UK routes. I'm not going to name names, but it's easy to find using the discord search function in that server. I also think paying customers deserve an opinion, not to be shot down by people that receive the route for free.

 

I think it’s pretty odd that a DTG employee would have that attitude. It’s not unreasonable for paying customers to expect scenery that doesn’t clip trains (especially when this was fed back about LIRR a lot and they just copied and pasted it over. It’s not unreasonable for paying customers to expect value for money - especially when we’ve had more for less. If DTG doesn’t want negative reviews - it ought to do better. It should know by now what gets positive and negative feedback from the community. It’s supposed to be learning from its mistakes, and yet we still get DLC like Trenton released. It’s farcical.

 

I won’t ever be buying the route - even at a steep discount in its current state. I can happily live without it until DTG decides to put in the effort to bring it up to a reasonable standard. And, that includes a fix to NY Penn so scenery doesn’t clip the trains.

 

I’m sure there are elements of NYT that deserve due praise, but with the apparently lacklustre timetable unworthy of such a (IRL) busy route, the people have spoken, and the people want to see lots of AI trains and feel immersed. Surely such a basic notion cannot have escaped the powers that be?

 

I find this interesting, it's like the hands that kept getting burnt by the match are now holding the flame thrower.

cutting corners for accountants is leaving that dlc in discount alley it seems

 

Lmaooo DTG said the community asking too much???the same company that GAVE BML 1,000+ playable services with nearly 1,000 ai. How are we asking for too much, I mean LIRR ai layers in and out of Penn is asking too much?..a legit timetable for the dlc is too much???even part of Newark Broad St and small part of NJCL is asking too much??

 

Tiny bit of clarification on my part before I get blasted here with spreading false information…

It wasn’t a DTG employee we’re all familiar with in the community, and I’m sure they weren’t speaking on behalf of DTG when making that remark, but it’s still a very bad look on the company IMO that someone working on the QA team doesn’t seem to be taking paying customer’s reviews seriously and publicly saying that the route doesn’t deserve negative reviews and making negative remarks about us in a community Discord. Customers are what pays them, and it really makes you wonder what they say and joke about behind the scenes about the community.

The message is still posted and searchable using Discords handy search function, I just don’t wanna start drama in this thread again, it’s long enough as it is


I really hate to bring it up, but it really did leave me disappointed.

 

It still sounds like it's an employee from DTG that may have said this though, that's still a bad look.
But u corrected that it's not an employee the community is familiar with.

 

Probably a comment that came from someone that probably knows very little about the NEC . Is very frustrating seeing only 28 passenger service for ALP-46(not including the 3 deadheads and 10 yard moves, a gap of 5 hours between passenger services (from 0900 to 14:06 on the ALP-46,, even on the multi-car from Trenton during rush hour a gap from 0824 to 0950 , an hour and a half Of a gap with no NJT from Trenton, they are several gap similar and even longer throughout the game that just didn’t make sense. Is like they went back into TSW2020. You are willing to substitute the Amtrak trains but not the NJT. They said the signals would handle all the traffic but with all the current issues I doubt it. Just an awful representation of the busiest part of the NEC…… can’t even imagine next year when the next US passenger route is announced. Can’t imagine getting any lower than this……

 

Ah ha! Now we know you're not being truthful! Since when does DTG have a QA team hmmm?

 

How quickly NYT has been relegated to the back burner.

Now all the attention has switched to the German and UK offerings.

I don't begrudge European fans their day in the sun and I sincerely hope that the upcoming UK routes meet all their expectations.

Still, can't help feeling that US players have drawn the short straw recently.

 

I completely understand where you’re coming from on this, unfortunately it ain’t just American content what feels forgotten when this happens, the route before Trenton which I can’t recall what it was, will have felt the same way for those with an interest in that route.

I think it stems from players seeing lots of bugs and few fixes, they have to put hope that things get fixed before their released, but that doesn’t really happen… so when the next dlc arrives, it feels the previous dlc has bugs, but has been left (ignored) for the dazzle of promotion of the next, (repeats cycle for the one after)

 

I was so keen to have this route that I bought it and abandoned it. I just don't feel like playing even with the Acela which is a good train.
What a pity, five weeks after its release it hasn't received a single update. It's a punch in the gut for the customers who went out of their way to report so many bugs. And the communication from DTG has been very bad as well. I had hoped that the delay was because they were working hard and were going to surprise us with a new timetable, static stock, LIRR IA etc. But now I know I can't trust them and I am very disappointed with their attitude about this route.

 

I just hope this thread is being shown to the powers that be. More time is needed to develop a DLC properly. Half-arsing it isn’t working anymore. No more treating us with contempt.

 

Man they as usual do not research properly involving anything part of NY....my friend who purchased even said he saw few services in the game (Boston bound) using track 3 at Newark lmaoo...I've never seen that in real life...as usual it's excuses and excuses smfh

 

Another failure of both research and effort for American content is represented by the BNSF SD70ACe. Nobody at DTG thought it made a difference to make an early "thundercab" model - less work to adapt from the UP - never mind that a thundercab cannot be a drivable BNSF loco. Or for that matter get the number range right. Or add a single new service to the route. (Aren't they still working with Gary Dolzall? He wouldn't have let a blunder like that slip through)

Yet in less than two weeks after release a single modder, in his spare time, came up with a very presentable iso-cab unit, with the right road numbers and everything- and tossed in a PTC screen and improved headlights to boot. So it isn't like DTG couldn't have done it- they just couldn't be arsed.

 

Update coming probably next week, so all US content will now be top-notch, right? RIGHT?

 

After much careful consideration with Skyhook, we have made the decision to release Midland Main Line: Leicester – Nottingham and Derby a little later, with an expected release date in April.
This is to allow us to work with Skyhook to bring you the best possible experience with launch

I would say that we had something to do with them delaying another rush release just to meet a deadline. I'm glad they are listening to the community and hopefully we can get a future patch and other improvements for the US content

 

If only they would have took that same action with Trenten. Push the date back and improve everything on this route. But am hoping big improvements are coming for the route since it is taking a while to release the update for it

 

I have a feeling that Matt oddly has more authority in that wrt third parties than with DTG's own releases- they pushed back Horseshoe Curve for polishing as well. While DTG has to release its own content according to The Schedule, third-party releases can be more flexible.

 

Unfortunately, according to previous statements, the update will include some needed but fairly minor corrections to the rolling stock, passenger behavior and catenary in Sunnyside.

It will not include improvements to Penn Station and will not impact the timetable or AI traffic.

So, unless something has radically changed in the last few weeks, this update will not be the one we all wanted.

As to delaying releases in order to polish or improve them, there is some history.
The Rush Hour routes of 2021 come to mind, notably BML.
Sadly, this wasn't considered for NYT.

As I posted elsewhere, we Americans have drawn the short straw recently.