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  1. Cyclone

    Cyclone Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha. Also, I was asking if you were planning to do Airdrie to Livingston. It is currently not sceneried.
     
  2. get-geeky

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    No I'll assume the line to Bathgate is a further extension for Iain Mackay and/or Rivet to add in future (hopefully)
     
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    Known Iain quite a while now and speak to him on steam chat. He has no plans to do any further work on the Extension at present.
     
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    I'm afraid several of those are dead links now.
     
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    My advice is to stick to the workshop and install them from inside the game, it knows what you have and haven't got. Saves a lot of error hassle.
     
  6. cunningn#3154

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    My website for the Cambridgeshire Lines & ECML route plus all of my loco upgrades/enhancements etc - all freeware:

    https://sites.google.com/site/cambridgelinesrailworks/home

    I will be adding those ex-UKTS locos that I have permission to host (Ikesmith and Harveype) after I have completed some work on my house ;-0
     
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  7. Cyclone

    Cyclone Well-Known Member

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    I have seen your route’s site before, Where are scenarios for the route?
     
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  9. Cyclone

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    I meant user made scenarios. Sorry to not be clear. :D
    Not when it thinks every scenario needs the Metropolitan Line. One of mine got tagged with it and I didn’t have it. Still wondering why. Workshop tab will not load them, you have to load them normally. I subscribe, extract, install, then unsubscribe and they appear under official that way. It also prevents corruption; I have a thread discussing this.
     
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    Dont know if this is the correct place to post this or not if not staff please feel free to move it. A good friend of mine many of you will know Adam Haigh who makes fantastic scenariso for TSC, Has started his own website up and his first packs just been released which looks fantastic. Here is a link to his website for his pack https://adamhaighscenarios.com/shop/

    Hope you will enjoy as much as he does making them for us.
     
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  11. eldomtom2

    eldomtom2 Well-Known Member

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    When will scenario creators learn not to use AP stock?
     
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    When they all decide to make scenarios unrealistic and as far from real workings (sounds, visuals, train details and branding) as they possibly can, I guess.
     
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  13. eldomtom2

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    There are degrees of realism.
     
  14. torfmeister

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    Everyone's free to create the scenarios they like and put their paid stock to use - that's what it's for.

    If you don't like what someone offers for free, just ignore it. You'll find thousands of Workshop scenarios that don't require 3rd party addons.

    I'm glad there is no creative restrictions for scenario creators. And there is LocoSwap, and another upcoming very powerful tool which I'm currently beta testing.
     
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  15. Reef

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    Oooh you dirty rotten tease.. :D
     
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    :cool:
     
  17. eldomtom2

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    Not for the route in question, you won't.
     
  18. cunningn#3154

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    You mean from other users apart from me? There is one (included in my download) by Alan which is a nifty train-spotting run at Hitchin and someone else did a couple of diesel scenarios though I can't remember who (sorry). What were you looking for?
     
  19. Cyclone

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    Nothing specific. Just wondered if folks were posting scenarios for your route anywhere. Though if it is Steam it is likely out of my stock availability. Over 400 things and still loads of missing stuff...
     
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    whats the problem with using AP stock people buy AP stock and surely you want scenarios realistic this is where AP stock fits in.
     
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    AP like to discontinue their stock.
     
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    So does most games and simulators funny enough. Trouble is when the ydiscontinue stock guess what you can still download it from your account if you own it. And stock they do disown they tend to release with a newer updated version.
     
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    Er, no they don't.
     
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    Quit the back and for'ing you two, you both have your opinions and you've both voiced them... Move on..

    Sick to death of threads getting derailed all the time.
     
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    And it is always the same names as well complaining about AP products and other 3rd party developers being included in stuff. Shock horror having to pay for content to enhance realism.

    if you want default only scenarios the workshop is your friend. Want AIrealistic heavy AI and detailed scenarios you have other options.

    have seen it all now someone has dedicated countless hours of free time to create a pack for free for us to enjoy and someone has to complain about that. People in this community never seem to shock me
     
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    If you had previously bought it you can still download it.
    If you did not buy it maybe you did not want it but are complaining because you don't like AP?

    There was a guy on UKTS who always complained about AP
     
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  27. eldomtom2

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    I don't see what your point is.
     
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    to put an end to this and i dont see why we are still discussing it. If you purchase a product AP discontinue you can still download it from your account as you own it and the download is available on your account.

    If you dont own something that was discontinued you obviously didnt have any interest in purchasing it anyway so there is no loss to you.


    MOVING ON!!!!
     
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  29. eldomtom2

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    What an utterly ridiculous attitude. Apparently you expect people to never change their minds about what they want to purchase, as well as always having money to do so.
     
  30. Cyclone

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    Well, the old 142 can no longer be acquired, so the better question is whether swapping the DTG one or any newer AP one will work as well as the cancelled AP model - a good question from players newer to the game. But as has been noted, this changes far from the topic of the thread, which is for third party sites. So we've kinda strayed away from the topic and we really should veer back. :D
     
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    Cyclone eldomtom2
    Scenario creators, such as myself, use 3rd party products (like AP and ATS) to get more out of the simulator since their products are developed with more detail than most of DTG's products.

    For example, if someone wanted to make a modern-day scenario on DTG's Huddersfield line post-2006, you'll need ATS' Class 185. If you want more features and a product that actually replicates a real-life unit, then you'd buy one of AP's EPs.

    Lots of developers discontinue their products for multiple reasons. DTG have discontinued loads of their products in the past like the Virgin First Generation Pack and the original North/South Wales Coast routes due to licensing and AP have discontinued products due to their age or poor sales. If someone doesn't have a particular piece of stock, then they can press F2 and continue with the scenario (provided they're not missing the player train) or they can swap it out using tools.

    I'm sure for the 142, AP will announce something in the future about a replacement for it.
     
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    Well said.
    It is people like yourselfs that keep this hobby going so thank you
     
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    Back to topic about 3rd party and just came across this that was updated recently (23rd april) https://northlincstrainsim.wordpress.com/

    North lincs steam route. Has a few ukts requirements grab them whilst you can
     
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  34. Cyclone

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    Not sure why I was referenced here? All I suggested is that it will be necessary for newer players to swap a different 142 into a lot of scenarios, and I've personally seen some scenarios with simple swaps break after making those swaps. That's all I said. :)
     
  35. torfmeister

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    Scenarios can break because timings fail if the swapped loco has a big enough difference to the original in terms of performance (acceleration, top speed, braking force.) The loco must fit the dispatched timetable. To make sure, load the scenario in scenario editor and then check for timing / pathing errors - LocoSwap cannot do this.

    Many scenarios rely on exact timing - one second an AI train stays in a block longer than calculated can cause the scenario to break depending on the complexity of the pathing. (Editor then says "Path is blocked" or something like that)
     
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  36. 390001

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    Can we keep this thread on topic please.
     
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    So in other words, LocoSwap is not a cure-all and scenario creators should ideally exercise restraint.
     
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    can you stop taking this off topic this is the 3rd time you have came back and took this thread off topic. This thread is for 3rd party repository. You have made your point move on please :)
     
  39. Cyclone

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    Yup, that's what I was talking about. I'm sure the explanation of it may help others with their own swaps as well. :D
     
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    Or, you became a TSC player after a product was discontinued.
     
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    Sorry if you are having trouble with the route and stock.
    Do you mean 400 missing items on the route? Let me know what you are missing and I'll see if I can suggest any alternatives (sales@cnjc.co.uk)
     
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    Not that user, but I do have some notes on the stock you've used for the scenarios:
    • 16t Mineral Wagon - Grey_rust : \Assets\Kuju\RailSimulator\RailVehicles\Freight\16TMineralWagon\Grey_rusty\16tmineral.xml - I have been unable to find this, and it could easily be replaced with one of the UKTS mineral wagons.
    • For some reason, all of the scenarios using Ike Smith's O4 have the tender's location as \Assets\ike\addon\RailVehicles\Steam\rod\default\rod_tender.xml, when my installation of it has it as \Assets\ike\addon\RailVehicles\Steam\rod\default\tender\rod_tender.xml.
    • All of the scenarios using the Peppercorn A1 point to your older mod, not your newer one.
    • The JustTrains A4 is no longer available. I recommend replacing it with the RSC A4.
    • Digital Traction no longer sell their BR 4MT 4-6-0 or their LNER Teaks. These can instead now be found in Steam Sounds Supreme' Stainmore Shap & Eden Valley route, but with different file locations.
    In addition, I have several bug reports. I have already mentioned the SPAD in the "6:40am Cambridge to St Ives stopper" scenario, but I have several more to add:
    • The v5.6 manual seems to be an earlier version than the v5.5 manual, and not only does not mention the changes made in v5.6 but also a lot of the changes made in v5.5 (and possibly earlier versions).
    • The description for the "9:30 ex-March to Cambridge Stopper" scenario still mentions you driving a D11 despite the scenario now using the D16.
    • The "10:54 Kings Cross to Hatfield Suburban" scenario has you pick up passengers at one of the lines before Finsbury Park instead of at the platforms.
    • In the "Northern Coal - 1956" scenario, several trains have their consists the wrong way round and thus run backwards at high speed.
     
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  44. cunningn#3154

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    Many thanks for telling me - this is all really useful. I am in the process of making an uptodate installation with as much stuff tidied up/rationalised/made UKTS-agnostic etc so this all helps. Alongside this I am also tweaking/correcting the UKTS free locos from Mike Round (ikesmith) and Pete Harvey (harveype) and hoping to release everything together. But as I do it I keep finding otehr bits that I need to do as well - so everything is slipping a little.
    Much appreciated and will be attended to!

    FYI the ROD tender bin seems to have been duplicated in Mike's folders - I was going to just delete one version but decided to leave both in place as it appears to be random which version get's picked up in-game and i didn't want to banjax someone else's scenarios.

    Onwards and sideways as usual...
     
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    I meant 400 DLC on Steam and still lots of missing stuff everywhere (not specifically your stuff, mind, though I know a lot of Caledonia Works steamers show up in a couple of specific route packs, one in the Crianlarich area). While having all sorts of great stock is good for the game, it can be a pain to try to acquire it all, and then even when you think you have everything some rogue unavailable thing shows up as missing. .
     
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    Where can I find scenarios for Nikla's Southeastern network route? I know I have gotten some from Alan Thomson Sim?
     
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    On the Workshop
     
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    Oh ok I didn’t think they would show up there. I search for some
     
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    If the route is released in the Workshop, scenarios can show there once it is marked final. If scenarios from an existing route in the Workshop, or official route, work on a custom route not in the Workshop, they work too. For instance, Portland Terminal scenarios can be found and converted to use on Maine Maritime by swapping to the correctly located stock for that version of the route (though the SD40 also needs replacing).
     
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