PC Is It Worth Upgrading From Tsw2 To Tsw3 - Advice

And in addition to the above. there's this: Baby Bullet Cab Car | Dovetail Games Forums.

Another mention, the TwinBayHopper railcar, the exterior decals for the graffiti and numbering don't appear anymore. I also think the functional railroad crossings were set up wrong initially when TSW 3 was released, I'm completely unsure whether or not that was patched.

The issues with Peninsula Corridor/Baby Bullet are summed up as one major issue (Cab Car not being selectable) - and some smaller issues that add up. It's certainly still playable, benefits from the LondonMidland clouds, but imo it shouldn't had passed QA in this state, Peninsula Corridor held up so well throughout TSW 2, and now it's still good, but not as much.

 

Sliders would be good generally, for personal adjustments – but they wouldn't be the answer to this issue, because the lighting, and how it impacts colour, shadow, detail and depth, on the problematic routes is sometimes fine as you move the camera: while it can be washed-out while sitting in the cab, in external view it can look natural; or washed-out in an external camera view, then normal as you point the camera in a different direction. So if you adjust the washed-out views using sliders (or the settings on your display) to look better, as soon as you change the camera viewpoint, the previously natural-looking views will then look wrong.

This was part of the point I was trying to make in another thread, when I said the developers need to get it right during the development phase and calibrate it between viewpoints using their own eyes. They must see what looks wrong because they get it right plenty of other times. Other developers manage this just fine.

 

Despite what all these people may say, and they can have their opinion I am happy to play TSW3. My major criticism is that it is a gain a new game and again you loose progress and so on and into my opinion the core update should be free.

If you cite an opinion like I will stick to TSW2 because there are many bugs and I don't trust them. That may be tru, but if you do not play TSW3 you cannot give a balanced judgement. And let's not forget a number of issues is fixed. Game Save works better and more reliable now, they improved the dispatcher functions a lot, though it may not yet be perfect, they improved lighting, the UI is a lot better, though it still has some bugs.

I think the major issue with TSW is bug fixing. But, remember TS Classic, where after each route you would get ONE update and all other bugs would stay forever. For TSW even after a long time not all hope is gone. And though I think DTG still has a lot to do to improve internal production processes, they made a lot of progress.

 

Well yes, it's all over the place, as previous videos I have linked of testing internal and external cams in different lighting conditions have shown. Part of it is the sloppy "eye adaptation" and how it reacts so unnaturally and with such extreme exaggeration to the camera being in a shadowed location, being in an open location, looking into a shadowed location, looking into a light, etc.

Being able to get a more consistently realistic and comfortable in-cab view would at least alleviate it for the most common experience though.

 

Koln-Aachen
I was amazed by the green light, the last time I saw it was in old film photos.

 

You stated something, and I want you to back up your claims with... something, at the very least.

Coming from the GTA community, I've seen fools state that the PS4 runs the game at 4k60, which is false, but they genuinely believe it does, THAT'S why I want YOU to back up YOUR claims, fair enough or is that too much to ask for nowadays?

 

This reminds me of the Atari - Amiga flamewar when I was young (which in fact spawned a lot of creative demos, it was very entertaining...)

Just let everyone choose what they like the most. Money's going to DTG anyway . People defend "their" game as if it was their own code. Constant thread derailments...

Instead of creating threads like this one, just pick up TSW3 when it's on sale and decide for yourself. You won't lose TSW2.

 

The negativity bias: Conceptualization, quantification, and individual differences | Behavioral and Brain Sciences | Cambridge Core

Read it and enjoy, and theres plenty of references listed here (as you would expect for a serious scientific paper) so I wont spam the thread with many others as you can go down the reference hole yourself.

 

Did not answer my question nor is it relevant.

Whatever you're doing right now, has the opposite effect to what you think it is doing, newsflash...

 

Did you read the paper? Unless you have some sort of superpower reading ability you clearly didnt.

You asked for evidence I've provided evidence. If you cant comprend the paper then thats not my issue

 

You failed however to provide something relevant to the topic. Anything external does not belong here, especially if it's irrelevant to TSW.

By the way, it's "comprehend", just sayin'

 

A scientific paper exploring negative bias isn't evidence of negative bias because it doesn't explicitly mention Train Sim World 3? You asked for evidence I have provided evidence, not sure how anyone could provide evidence either way without using external sources...

And while we're picking up each others spellings, its "saying", not "sayin'".

 

I couldn't care less about "negative bias", has nothing to do with the game or the fact that you failed to provided any sources of your empty statements related to the games performance.

That was correct, your grammatical error was not.

 

The only comment I made was for me route for route TSW3 runs better than TSW2 on my laptop. If you want evidence of this fact then hey go find my youtube channel and watch some of my videos pre release TSW3 and after release.

The only claims I've made other than that is the silent majority are enjoying the game, which is what you originally asked me to prove, which I have clearly done using science. I would quote you where you directly asked me to prove this, but your comment has been deleted for being rude (I wonder why that was?).

 

See, that was a better response, unfortunately that doesn't prove anything considering YouTube comparison and the fact that youtube (tried anyway) smooth out inconsistencies in FPS. Either way, that was a MUCH BETTER response and it clearly wasn't hard, was it?

Nope, that wasn't me, that was someone else quoting the entire forums pretty much...

I said "I'd like to see some proper benchmarks stats on that, empty words, no matter the opinion on this matter means nothing to me." and that comment is still up (checked on incognito mode).
I can't see how I could make that comment any clearer, well if you have some opinions on that, please, provide them. I also carefully pointed out that I'm not biased in this case specifically to avoid debates like these.

 

And that shows your negative bias, because what ever evidence presented you immediately find a way to discount it because it doesnt fit your narrative.

I refer you to back to my referenced post about negative bias.

 

Of course it's worth upgrading. There are many new features and routes. I`ve never regret the upgrade.

 

I am afraid you are wasting your breath. There seem to be some on here who actually resent the fact that some people are actually enjoying using TSW3 and not jumping on their bandwagon.

They seem to think those of us who are having few problems are lying about it as it doesn't fit in with their agenda.

 

"Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up"

 

I am afraid you are wasting your breath. There seem to be some on here who actually resent the fact that some people are actually having issues using TSW3 and not jumping on their bandwagon.

They seem to think those of us who are having problems are lying about it as it doesn't fit in with their agenda.

 

Where did anyone deny anyone individual was having issues?

But hey lets not let facts get in the way of your agenda.

 

Uh, no, I simply prefer objective facts over ignorant opinions. Do you even know how to read at all?

 

No one is denying there are problems, I have myself complained of issues.

But I certainly don't find the sim is an unplayable stutter fest, not saying you don't but I can only reflect on my experience. If anything I am getting less stutters than ever, even Cross City which at first was very stuttery seems to run smoothly now with very few microstutters that I am noticing.

 

Reading this thread is like wading through a bowl of molasses.

The only question is: Do you want to play any of the routes released since the launch of TSW3?

If the answer is no, stick with TSW2, as long as it's supported, which may be forever.

If the answer is yes, there's no alternative to upgrading to TSW3 and it's basically free if you buy a new route bundle.

We can discuss the pluses and minuses of each version in terms of lighting and gameplay issues, and some or all of the issues affecting one or the other may be addressed.

But the version landscape will not change.

I suspect that the number of TSW2 holdouts is small and dwindling.

 

According to only one platform (Steam), the TSW2 recent usage is about 20% that of TSW3. Roughly holding steady between 20 - 25%. Certainly a lot lower than TSW3, but still not an insignificant percentage considering TSW as a whole has a very low active player base (again, looking at Steam only).

 

7. Access to new and exciting bugs

 

So I was tired of reading all of this and just upgraded to TSW3 (PC) to see for myself.

Performance of TSW2 routes is definitely better under TSW3- although I can see they used a bit of LOD trickery which I won't discuss further. Engine.ini's your friend

While the UI is technically better, I think the colours are off (Orange has been changed to a questionable neon yellow) - but that's not really an issue ingame. There's some more things from a designer's POV that need to be adressed like inconsistent use of typefaces, but that's subject to change anyway. A "dark mode" option causing less eye strain would be welcomed.

Just started Cajon Pass and now seeing the new sky for myself - it really looks awesome. This route is worth it alone for me.

I have just uninstalled TSW2 - and I was being very critical about TSW3 before.

So for me, the Pros outweigh the Cons, I'd recommend to get TSW3.

 

I think the brightness of the menus and their neon yellow is only beaten for poor UI choices by the decision to grey out the selected choice in binary choices, as most of us anticipate a highlight on the selected option, and for the unselected one to be greyed out when confirming our choices, as is the common expectation of menu design.

 

Wow! This really made a big difference. Thank you. It comes out just a bit dark on my monitor. How would I brighten it up just a bit?

As for the original question, the improvements to Boston Sprinter and the expansion of SEHS made the upgrade easily worth it for me. Also, the dawn and dusk lighting is spectacular. Just check out the Awesome TSW3 lighting pictures thread here:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...me-lighting-pictures.58156/page-4#post-540729

 

Probably want to play around a bit with the gamma value.

 

Try setting gamma between 1.8 and 2.0 (Although 2.2 is supposedly the standard, to me it's overbright. But that could just be my monitor)

 

Since I have been used in building an argument for not getting TSW3 I'll also say that of the month I did play TSW3 it was a better user experience than TSW2 in terms of the menu and UI. I really liked the new ways of getting into services/scenarios by choosing the train/loco first, and just in general the user-friendliness of the new menu, particularly the return of menu music. The let-down for me was the routes not performing very well on my Xbox One, the routes themselves I was enjoying. Unlike TSW2, TSW3 is much easier to learn the basics of safety systems by having them simplified on the hud. So if your machine can run the routes I'd definitely move over to TSW3. But if you're on Xbox One I'd just wait and see if it ever improves with any of the routes, especially now that prices appear to have gone up for certain routes.

 

Doesn't it just. The sky gives a real sense of distance across the desert.

 

Cajon Pass was the primary reason I upgraded to TSW3 and I don't regret it for a moment, despite some flaws in the route like the vegetation in some areas, some of the track and ballast and some signal flare issues. It's a great route.

But other than CP and perhaps the Acela trainset, there hasn't been much to shout about since the launch of TSW3. NYT has potential, but it's so far unrealized. SOS, well I'll say no more. And the procession of one shiny, squeaky- clean plastic train per A-B route after another seems likely to continue.

Still, the skybox and the dynamic weather are worth the upgrade. The eye- adaptation feature, though, should be togglable or maybe completely eliminated. It's just an annoyance with no redeeming value that I can see.

 

Niddertalbahn.

 

I bought Linke Rheinstrecke as my first TSW3 route, I think it's amazing, next up is a british route but having a bit of trouble to decide which one.

 

Will get this too in the next sale. The "Goddess" BR103 is an icon. Will see if it lives up to the TSC virtualRailroads (Maik Goltz) version.

 

I'll have to get back to you. Haven't played it yet.

I have been thrashing about on the Acela though. That and CP alone are worth the upgrade.

 

Have you noticed the movie reference in CP yet ?

 

As to not create a new thread on the same topic, I'll ask my question here:

I know the existing DLC from TSW2 transfers over to TSW3, but there's (for example), two different sets of DLC for West Somerset Railway and I have the one that doesn't say it's compatible with TSW2 and TSW3, so will it still work for TSW3?

Also, are the "base routes" of Sand Patch Grade, Bakerloo and Schnellfarstrecke-Koln transferred over?

 

If you own the TSW2 version of a route, you automatically get ownership of the TSW3 download for it.

 

I got WSR on TSW2020, it transferred over to TSW2 and TSW3.

 

Thanks. This may seem like a silly question, but since SPG, Bakerloo and Schnellfahrstrecke-Koln are base routes and not separate DLC purchases and TSW3 comes with 3 different base routes, I'm guessing they can come over, anyway?

 

Yes, same as how if you bought the core TSW2020, that came with GWE, MSB, LIRR, and NTP, you got all those routes for TSW2.