The (1st) Just Trains Route: Preston - Blackpool And Omskirk

That only comes in at 29mi 55ch, so I think it rules itself out.

 

Could be track length adding up both directions. Be open minded lol

 

Literally no one measures route length by each individual piece of track, so most likely 40 miles between endpoints.

 

The Furness line would be fantastic, especially if it were to start at Lancaster or even Preston and include the Morecambe branch. If set pre-electrification, a Class 50 and a Class 108 would be suitable, and should represent a large chunk of the services.

 

they could’ve said that to trick us you never know

 

I doubt it, I recon people are reading into it too much

 

That's exactly what I'm thinking as was adding up the three branches to Yarmouth via Acle, via berney arms and to Lowestoft.

 

More than likely we're overthinking was was written on the roadmap. Like I said, track laid is such a useless metric as you could have a short industrial route with lots of sidings, which in terms of track mileage might total 40 miles, but the actual end-to-end route length could be less than 10. They wouldn't mention a route with 40 miles of track then later announce it's only 10 miles from end-to-end.

 

That's not how track is measured, if it's double track it's the same distance. Also, I don't think that's what openmindedness is.

 

I'll use this as a way to address the entire discussion here;
I believe the route will be 40 miles end(s) to end(s), including any branches or whatnot. I think "track layed" was used in the roadmap to more or less say "we've made the track for this 40 mile route, but scenery and stuff is still a while off."

 

I hope we are wrong with it's length as it is too short and it could be a section of multiple routes like SEHS.

 

West Somerset is 20 miles and Niddertalbahn is 19 miles. Both are quite enjoyable routes. Route milage isn't everything...

 

True, but I suppose that depends on the rolling stock used, what is fine for heritage stock or a slow stopper doesn't work so well with more conventional rolling stock that gets up to speed between stops.

 

There was an interesting reference in the Roadmap article to a 'seasonal timetable' which I would assume is to do with leaf-fall. I therefore think it might be something to do with Chiltern Railways as their service (and the Metropolitan Line) is known to suffer particularly badly during the autumn months. The Train Sim Classic London to Aylesbury route is 45 miles.

If it is the Metropolitan Line, personally, I'd prefer to see an S Stock and a modern route, rather than 90s-era and presumably an A Stock.

 

could they of got the code wrong and it is a modern route? hanst that happend before?

 

Well the code suggests diesel mechanical and diesel electric which would make a modern route more unlikely I would imagine as most modern DMU's are diesel hydraulic.

 

True but they take around an hour to drive. A 20 mile double track secondary UK route could be complete in around 30 minutes depending on how many stations there are.

 

So would that not make a 40 mile route about an hour (a good length for a TSW service)?

 

My guess is still a loco (or locos) we've seen before and either a 141 pacer or an early 142. Both were mechanical gearboxes until the 142's upgrade.

 

That depends on the speed of the route, number of stations and rolling stock. It could be a quick drive to a long one. Bcc is around 40 i think and it takes 90 minutes end to end. Some German routes are around that length and it takes 30min for ice services and like 40 for sbahn (hma). So it's not always an hour for the same length of route

 

Speaking of the gearbox is it the same as the one on the 101 or an automated manual gearbox like a Lorry

 

No idea to be honest. I'm just going from what I've seen posted before/ wikipedia.

 

I don't think it was manually changed it was a mechanical automatic gearbox but they didn't have them long and they were replaced with the same type of hydraulic transmission as the Sprinters.

 

I know there's some strong support in this thread for a north of England route but, seeing how many routes have already been done for England and Scotland, it would be nice to have a route in Wales. Has been hinted at before in previous livestreams that TfW aren't up for working with developers on a Welsh route but, older time setting would mean that JT could do a Wales route without having to get deals done with TfW.

 

I have to say this is the route which is now looking the most interesting on my radar.

Or alternatively this could hint at summer special services?

 

Personally for me I'll like the route if it has great trains, services mileage and effort has been put in to remove bugs.

 

DTG JD is the date for the next roadmap confirmed yet?

 

I think it' might be the second Tuesday or Thursdays of May due to May the 1st being the start of the week.

 

That makes me wonder. Is the 175 diesel electric?

 

alright thank you really really looking forward to hearing about all the new uk content

 

So you mean the ones from a lorry

 

Well just an automatic gearbox I assume just similar to a car/bus/lorry. It would not be the same sort of gearbox you get in the class 101 or a manual gearbox in a car.

 

Summer specials?
Settle - Carlisle or Fw - Mallaig with summer steam specials. I say these imparticular as the steam would feature in timetable mode during the summer months, as in the case of Mallaig the steam is daily.

 

Well JT said they have laid about 40 miles of track and the summer specials clue, I'm leaning towards West Highland Line Extension (Fort William-Mallaig) as that's about 40 miles long, so it's a possibility

 

That would be nice, if done properly. Scope for a classic 70's DLC with Class 27 too.
Would be interesting to see how TSW handles RETB signalling, too.

 

JT are usually very good with scenery. Hopefully the Mallaig line (if that's what's being done) would look great.

 

Who knows but possibly yes.
The first place to jump to my head was Skeggie and (due to the 'leak') Blackpool but it could be anywhere really.

 

I hope it is skeggie as it’s always been the beach I’ve gone to. Well, either there or mablethorpe but there’s no railway there so we’ll never see it in game sadly!!!

 

FW - Mallaig is an incredibly good shout;
Roughly 40 miles,
The 37 is diesel-electric, so fits;
The 156 is Diesel-Mechanical (I think), so also fits.

This leaves the setting at 1989, which is when the 37 left the route (in regular service), and the 156s took over. Transition era route, perhaps?

 

I thought the 156s were diesel hydraulics.

 

I can't really find anything conclusive on it, so just taking a total guess.

 

Fair dos in all honesty mate the sprinters aren't really my specialist subject, just my gut said they were diesel hydraulics, so I could be well off the mark!

 

Tbh my only reasoning is because I saw the word "mechanical" in a line full of big technical terms that I haven't got a clue about, so we're in the same boat

 

They are they use the Voith hydraulic transmission as with the other Sprinters and Pacers.

Class 101's would not have been seen on the WHEL nor any other DMU I don't think, except for one driving trailer which I believe was used as an observation car but unpowered, or was it one of the other Highland lines, I know it was painted in the green and cream livery.

 

I still think it is going to be Preston to Blackpool in some form, it fits in with two of the developers experience, in fact I think one of them is a Blackpool tram driver or has been. In the possible period set it could include a first generation DMU (no doubt the 101) and any of the classic diesels we have in the sim will fit in too. I just hope we get some mark 1 carriages as those mark 2's are getting like the 101 and getting everywhere!

 

It could be a class 120 as they were used in Scotland on that line specifically I think.

 

Thanks for clearing that one up mate.

 

The original Scottish allocated sets (allocated to Inverness) were used between Aberdeen and Inverness in the 1960's and 1970's. Then some sets were used around the Glasgow and Edinburgh areas often with class 101 centre cars and sometimes in other unusual hybrid sets ,on suburban services, many of the vehicles came from the western region and Chester and Derby I think. There were never used on the WHEL line. After steam type 2 diesels were used then the class 37's then the 156's.

 

I somehow have a feeling it could be the Durham coast line from Newcastle to Middlesbrough with the line being 39.5 miles long though I don't know what rolling stock would be present. It could be rolling stock that works with tees valley line set in 1989.